CCCP - DirectShow filter pack

[joepic]

I am surprised that nobody has added the CCCP filter pack to the TOOLS on this forum???

It's a great package that installs Media Player Classic, ffdshow, Haali's Media Splitter and other items. I usually don't recommend installing codec/filter packs but this one is the exception.

Get the software here:
http://www.cccp-project.net/

[Baldrick]

This is not any news. Moving you.

I haven't added any codec packs to the tools sections as many causing problems if you install everything that is included.

[joepic]

This is not any news. Moving you.

I haven't added any codec packs to the tools sections as many causing problems if you install everything that is included.

I understand your "standard" position on codec packs. I also know that you recommend installing Media Player Classic, ffdshow, Haali's Media Splitter which this package installs.

This maybe the exception??? Have you installed it?

Endorsements for this package found here:

http://www.cccp-project.net/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ

* We are officially endorsed by the Matroska Project, the individuals who designed the MKV format. They originally provided their own codec pack, but dropped it in favour of ours as it was of a higher quality and better maintained.
* We are unofficially endorsed by On2, the makers of the VP series of codecs (VP3, VP6, VP7) as a reliable codec pack to use for decoding video. (sidenote: they supply a registry file that will enable more decoding filters in FFDShow, we simply recommend you enable any additional esoteric formats not normally enabled by hand.)
* We are recommended by a large number of anime fansubbing groups. Here's a hopefully complete and up-to-date (ha!) list. (Want to add your own group?)

* Anime-Keep
* Anime-Avatar (forum thread)
* Anime-Legion (forum thread)
* Anime-Supreme (forum thread)
* AnimeYoshi
* Azai Fansubs
* Baka-Anime (forum thread)
* Baka-Wolf AnimeDistro
* Black Order
* CCCPSoyuz
* DownloadAnime
* Eien no Anime
* Eclipse Productions
* Formula Sub
* Generation:AnimeXtreme
* gg Fansubs
* HNK Fansubs
* Ikasu Fansubs
* KickAssAnime (forum thread)
* Kyozoku Fansubs
* Kyuuketsuki
* Lunar Anime (forum thread)
* Mognet Japanese Translation Group
* Okaeri Fansubs
* Onmitsu Fansubs
* Rockman-X encodes
* Saizen Anime Fansubs
* Shinsen-Subs (forum thread)
* Toku-Planet
* Umai-Fansubs
* Ureshii
* Vegapunk Fansubs
* Zhentarim-DivX (forum thread)

[mgh]

It may be true that the codec pack in question is considered the least harmful, but it is also true that quacks get lots of endorsements

[filmboss80]

There is nothing wrong with installing a few codecs and applications for one's specific needs. But the installation of a massive "pack" that includes often-unnecessary and often-conflicting programs is something that courts trouble. I could be wrong, but this smells of an attempt to advertise. I doubt you'll get a lot of endorsements from experts on this site.

[jagabo]

the CCCP filter pack... installs Media Player Classic, ffdshow, Haali's Media Splitter and other items.

It's the "and other items" I worry about. Is there a list of exactly what's included in the package?

[joepic]

It's the "and other items" I worry about. Is there a list of exactly what's included in the package?

http://www.cccp-project.net/wiki/index.php?title=Advanced_FAQ

It looks like the CCCP pack is updated about every 6 months with the latest stable versions of the software listed below. You can install a newer version of the software listed below if you want the "latest".

For those of you to lazy to follow web links, this is for you

Exactly what does the CCCP install and why?

The current playback pack will install:

* Haali Media Splitter 2007-02-15 (MKV, MP4, OGM/OGG, TS, AVI)
o Used for compliant MKV playback. Attempts to disable other MKV splitters on the system. Certain Matroska features are available only with Haali's splitter and not in Gabest's. This filter is also capable of being used as a splitter for MP4, OGM and OGG, TS, and also AVI. AVI is not used by default in the pack and is not recommended to do so. You will, however, need the MP4, OGM and TS parts for playing those files. The installer will also set the source filter for each container only if it is checked in the installation, this fixes any issues with previously installed splitters by overriding them.

* VSFilter 2007-01-09 SVN r611 build (SSA/ASS, SRT, VOBSUB subtitles)
o For displaying subtitles. It will attempt to disable any previous DirectVobSub installations you might have. Currently using a few patches supplied by jfs and other doom9 activists.

* FFDShow Unicode 2007-02-14 CCCP build (H.264/AVC, DivX, Xvid, various audio formats etc.)
o Decodes H.264, Xvid, DivX, generic MPEG-4, and Flash video (FLV1 only). Also used for audio decoding with the following formats turned on by default: AAC, Vorbis, MP3, MP1/2, AC3, DTS, FLAC, TTA, LPCM. If you would like to turn off ffdshow decoding for a specific video or audio format, read further down for instructions on how to do it properly. Note: this is a stripped-down and well tested ffdshow build. Do NOT assume that you can replace it with any other ffdshow version. Currently some patches taken from ffdshow-tryouts and also available H.264 optimizations implemented from FFMPEG.

* WMV9VCM
o Required to play WMV9 content if you don't have Windows Media Player 9 or 10, Windows Media Format SDK, or Microsoft Codec Installation Package for Windows Media Player 7.1 installed - ffdshow can't decode WMV9. If any of those are installed, then WMV9VCM will be ignored during playback (even if it was installed by CCCP) and the WMV9 codecs that come with them will be used instead (which is a good thing).
o Starting with CCCP15, WMV9VCM will no longer be included. It is still listed here for those who are using our last pack to support Win9x and include WMV9VCM (CCCP14 - 2007-02-22).

* Gabest's MPV (MPEG2) Decoder 2007-02-14 SVN r611 build
o Decodes MPEG2 video (the stuff on a DVD). The filter currently has an extremely low merit level and also MPEG1 decoding removed. It is primarily included as a fallback for DVD MPEG2 decoding if the user does not already have another MPEG2 decoder installed. A few other patches donated by Haali for interlaced/progressive fixes.

* CoreWavPack 1.0.3
o Decodes WavPack audio and splits WavPack audio files (.WV) for playback in DirectShow. The only DirectShow implementation to support all three WavPack modes: lossless, lossy, and hybrid.

* Gabest's FLV Splitter 1.0.0.1
o Splits FLV (Flash Video) files for DirectShow playback.

* Media Player Classic 6.4.9.0
o Media Player Classic, one of the two recommended players. Choose this one or Zoom Player according to your preference.

* Zoom Player Standard 5.00
o The other recommended player. Other players are NOT supported; see the Media Players page.

What other stuff does the CCCP change when installing, and why?
Altered settings

* VSFilter
o Vertical padding: original height - This makes VSFilter keep the aspect ratio - any other value will make it stretch or squeeze it. This is particularily noticeable when playing anamorphic encodes.
o Load when needed - Only loads VSFilter when there are subs to display.
o Apply changes immediately - Makes it possible to change VSFilter settings and/or the subtitle stream without restarting playback.

* ZoomPlayer
o Use overlay mixer as video output renderer - Overlay mixer is used as the default renderer for several reasons, compatibility being one of the foremost. VMR7 is only available on Windows XP and VMR9 is horribly buggy (jagged edges and extreme smoothing are common problems). The VMR7 renderless and all VMR9 modes have a tendency to make the video look distinctly greenish, especially on nVidia video cards. The overlay mixer should be the most accurate renderer - it shows you what the video really looks like. So for both compatibility and quality, we use overlay. If, however, you have issues using overlay, try the VMR7 windowed mode.

* MPC
o Use overlay mixer as video output renderer - See the same entry for ZoomPlayer above.
o Use default DirectSound audio device - This is mainly to avoid bugs that appear when trying to decode Vorbis audio through the WaveOut device. Also, DirectSound might use slightly less CPU resources, especially on Windows 2000/XP.
o Audio normalization off - This is better done in ffdshow's audio decoder, if at all. It's off by default there too - simple volume control usually works better.
o Disable certain internal filters - If MPC's internal filters are enabled, they will be used instead of DirectShow filters. Since we want to actually use the components we install, MPC's internal filters are disabled depending on what else is installed with the CCCP. Note that some of MPC's internal filters are outdated and shouldn't be used - most importantly the MKV splitter.

* Haali Media Splitter
o Unregister Gabest's MKV splitter - Gabest's splitter is old and outdated, but has a higher DirectShow priority, so if it is installed it will be used instead of Haali's splitter. Therefore, we try to unregister Gabests splitter upon installation.
o Autoload fonts without asking - This is needed to play softsubbed MKV's that has nonstandard fonts muxed into the file. If this option is off, the splitter will ask if you want to load the fonts, and that quickly becomes annoying.
o Try to open linked files - Makes the splitter try to load linked files. Linking is a feature that allows splitting in a special fashion so that the encoder can, for example, split a movie to two 700 MB files, but have either of them behave as the whole file as long as they are in the same directory. Since some releases use this feature, we have chosen to enable it.

* ffdshow video
o Overlay mixer checkbox set to grey state - The only mode that doesn't break aspect ratios.
o YV12 colorspace output enabled - This used to be disabled for broad user compatibility reasons. Nowadays any vidcard should support YV12, except in the case of broken drivers. It should be noted that YV12 mode is faster on graphic cards that properly support it.
o Allow output format changes set to grey state - Set this way for compatibility reasons (especially with WMP10). Grey state means that ffdshow will allow output format changes during playback, but only when connected to a renderer that is known to support it.
o iDCT set to libmpeg2 - This implementation is the one that performs best according to our tests. It also deals correctly with old DivX encoded content.

* ffdshow audio
o AAC decoding set to libfaad2 - realaac doesn't support parametric stereo (not that anyone should be using that, but who knows), and it seems to crash under certain, rare conditions.
o Oblivion.exe added to blacklist - Oblivion seems to use DirectShow to play sound, and could cause a flood of ffdshow icons in the systray.
o Normalize disabled in the Volume filter - One pass normalization is something we generally try to avoid. Note that the Volume filter itself is disabled by default, so it's just there for people who might enable the filter manually.
o Normalize disabled in the Mixer filter

Attempted uninstallation of known trouble-causing DS filters

* On installation, the pack will attempt to uninstall some things that are known to cause problems (it's HIGHLY recommended that you let the pack uninstall these for you).
o DirectVobSub - Conflicts with VSFilter, since DVobSub is an older version of VSFilter. The CCCP version of VSFilter is up-to-date and well tested, and should be used instead of any other version.
o Morgan Stream Switcher (mmswitch.ax) - Possibly the buggiest DirectShow filter ever, and it's not needed with the filters and players the pack installs.
o Matrix Mixer - Buggy and completely unnecessary, since ffdshow and the players can do what it does.
o Gabest's Matroska Splitter (MatroskaSplitter.ax) - See the entry on Haali above.
o Intervideo MPEG4 Decoder (MP4VDEC.AX) - Has higher priority than just about everything else and has never actually managed to decode MPEG4 video properly.

[joepic]

I could be wrong, but this smells of an attempt to advertise. I doubt you'll get a lot of endorsements from experts on this site.

I usually don't respond to comments like this but I will this time

Since you are a "newbie" (joined 2007) on this site compared to me (joined 2002) I suggest that you read some of my post and see if I am "attempting to advertise" this product. I do consider myself an expert in some areas found on this site and try and keep an open mind on other subjects that are posted here.

Enough said................ 8)

[Maikeru-sama]

I have been using CCCP for about 2 years now.

I thought it was pretty much standard with regards to video display on videohelp.com.

[Midzuki]

Exactly what does the CCCP install and why?

The current playback pack will install:

* Haali Media Splitter 2007-02-15 (MKV, MP4, OGM/OGG, TS, AVI)

Outdated item.

* VSFilter 2007-01-09 SVN r611 build (SSA/ASS, SRT, VOBSUB subtitles)

Version 2.33 still is the best IMHO.

* FFDShow Unicode 2007-02-14 CCCP build

Outdated item.

* WMV9VCM

Good stuff. Get it directly from µ§oft's web site.

* Gabest's MPV (MPEG2) Decoder 2007-02-14 SVN r611 build

DScaler is better.

HTH.

[ricardouk]

i havent tried it recently but whenever i tried it in the past it led to some errors. some videos wouldnt play, avi to dvd conversion programs wouldnt convert videos etc.

i just install ffdshow+DScaler for mpeg 2 decoding and it has served me for the last year and a half with no problems at all.

no thanks.