DVD Recorders with TBC (by Brand?)

[tambrent]

I purchased a Panasonic DMR-ES15 a couple of years ago as my Sony RDR-GX300 did not have a Timebase Corrector and a number of the videos I was transferring had the typical top-o-picture skewing. I went with a Panasonic as I understood they all typically contained Timebase Correctors (TBC) in them. For the past couple of years, with the built-in TBC, it did eliminate that skewing problem, however recently it's making strange plinking sounds in changing the thumbnails, titles and such on the disc. Then it essentially kills the disc. So, looks like it's time for a new DVD Recorder...

My question is "are there any brands other than Panasonic in today's day and age who also have TBCs built-into all of their DVD Recorders (LG, Toshiba, Samsung)?" Even if you could recommend some brands/models which do have build-in TBCs (and are reasonably priced), I could try to hunt them down locally (Winnipeg).

Thanks very much.

[samijubal]

That top of the picture problem is often the horizontal hold on the TV if it's a CRT. The older Toshiba recorders had a good TBC in them, I don't know about the new ones.

[jjeff]

Don't discard that Panny, it just needs a little spit or preferably a good cleaning of the spindle. Here's a post I made talking about the exact problem your having, even with with your model machine. The symptoms your are describing are the tell tail signs of disc slippage. Check the clear inner hub of your failed discs, if they are scuffed in the least it's also another sign of slippage. Good luck!
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hen+finalizing

[samijubal]

You left out the link.

[lordsmurf]

DVD recorders don't have a TBC, even in ones that say they do. At best, these are frame synchronization filters, not really the same functionality of a TBC. Not to the level of being able to clean video or stabilize the signal to a hefty degree.

Reminds me of this scenario:
Somebody has junk car, wants to increase performance. Instead of say, giving it new tires, they paint the old tires black. May look like a new sets of tires, might even fool some folks into thinking it, but they perform as lousy as old tires. Doesn't really affect performance at all.

[deuce8pro]

One of the recorders most talked about is the Panasonic ES10 with the frame sync filters. It does help to a degree and you can find one under a $100 or so on ebay, used.

[jjeff]

Sorry I added the link to my original post now.

[lordsmurf]

One of the recorders most talked about is the Panasonic ES10 with the frame sync filters. It does help to a degree and you can find one under a $100 or so on ebay, used.

Yeah, but it also posterizes the crap out of video, and the luma is off (greenish or reddish), not to mention the crappy Panasonic encoder inside.

The sync filters inside are good.

While these errors would deter a user with high quality sources, that single filter will be a miracle to some folks who couldn't even see the video well beforehand. Much less worry about these tolerable flaws (the sync filter removed intolerable flaws).

Trade-offs.

So there's a lot more to consider. It's based on the machine performance all over AND the source tapes/signals, not the TBC alone (if you want to actually call it a "TBC"),

Complex topic, I know.