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    I am a teacher and I need to edit out the curse words from a Rated R movie before I can show it in class. If I have the retail DVD what is the easiest process from beginning to end? Do I need to extract the mpg from the DVD first? What programs would be best? I have womble and access to several other editors. I am looking for the easiest process. I just want to put a quick silence or a beep for the few curse words.

    Thanks for any suggestions!
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    I would demux the video and audio from the dvd using pgcdemux, edit the audio with latest Audacity beta, save as ac3, remux the old video and the new audio to a new dvd with muxman.

    Or other methods
    http://forum.videohelp.com/topic290524.html
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    Honestly, why bother, if the movie is R rated and you deem it suitable for viewing by your class they will have heard every imaginable curse out there.
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    The curses do not bother me and I know it will not bother them, but we have rules in our society. So I have to conform by "School" rules that do not allow me to show movies with profanity.
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    Is there violence in the movie?

    And if the movie is "Casino" or "Scarface", fuggetabout.

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    I understand, just a demonstration of how ludicrous "Rules" are sometimes, presumably the R rating is for other than profanity, i.e. violence and sexual content, which is OK.

    On a serious note though, I'd be more concerned about getting into trouble by violating the DMCA in breaking the encryption by ripping and modifying - that could get the school into hot water.
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    Check if they have a "School Use" copy at the library, or from the studio even.

    Other than that, what Safesurfer said.

    Maybe you could get permission slips signed and send the rest to the library/study hall?
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    Unless you have a VERY compelling reason to show the movie (it's an absolute requirement that will cost you your job if you don't do it), I'd advise against even attempting to show it for several reasons.

    1) The editing will take a LOT of time and although it's possible to do it, if you've never done this before, it will not be easy for you. If you have to ask how to do it, there is a chance that you may fail at this. You may not do the edits correctly or you may not be able to put the DVD back together.
    2) US courts have ruled that even if you buy a DVD, you don't have the right to edit it. Safesurfer is not kidding about you violating the DCMA.
    3) You should be aware that even if you edit it, some parents may strongly object to an R rated movie being shown to their children and you and the school may be in very hot water over it.

    Unless you will be fired if you don't show it, showing an R rated movie to kids in school in today's US is just stupid and you are asking for trouble. I would suggest at a minimum that you get a signed permission slip from a parent for each child agreeing that their child has their permission to see the film.
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  9. Also, it's technically against federal law to rip the copy protection from a disc. Out of curiosity, which film is it?
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    Wait for the edited, free TV version to show up, and record it.
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    Showing that movie to a class constitutes a public performance, and you have to get written permission to do it in the US. I was in charge of programming for a club I belonged to, and could not even show a tape I recorded of a TV program that pertained to our interest without it being a problem.
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    Movies are shown all the time in classrooms without permission. Let's not be ridiculous here. I am a science teacher teaching about infectious diseases and the movie I want to show is "Outbreak." It is a great, fun thrilling move that I know my kids will love. And yes, the only real reason it received an R rating was for profanity. There is no sex or graphic violence. If there were I would not show it. These kids are 14 or 15, they have seen a lot worse. I would copy it off TNT if it were on in the next week but I don't see it. Figures, it is always on when I have no interest in it, now I can't find it.
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    Schools don't care about copyright laws these days? My how things have changed since I was in school.

    One of my teachers got into trouble for handing out xeroxed copyrighted material to suppliment our textbooks. He paid for it himself, so it wasn't a budgetary issue, just copyright infringement.
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    Originally Posted by filmboss80
    Wait for the edited, free TV version to show up, and record it.
    You have to own a DVD(non rental) to show it in a classroom,live tv is ok but recordings are licensed:
    http://www.mediafestival.org/copyrightchart.html

    I am not a teacher but I would require the students to get a permission slip from their parents,all it takes is one parent to complain:
    Parent:"what did you do today?"
    Student:"we watched Goodfellas in class"
    Parent:"WHAT?!"
    Student:"it's allright..my teacher removed the profanity"
    Parent:"No it's NOT allright"
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    Moviegeek - Well said. I thought about giving a similar example, but it seemed to me that the original poster has made up his mind about this. While I would certainly say the odds are in his favor that it won't be a problem, it's not a zero probability and if there is a problem, he will be very sorry to have ever shown the movie.

    I know parents who while they might not necessarily sue the school or ask for a teacher to be dismissed, they would be very unhappy at their children seeing an R rated movie that they have not approved of. Even without suing or asking for dismissal, they could make a teacher's life very unpleasant simply by complaining about it.
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    Somehow I get the feeling that, had the teacher asked how to "add" curse words into a flick, he'd get lots of tips....just a feeling!
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    You can't selectively break the "rules". Your school has a rule that specifies no profanity. Fine, but the Federal Government has a law that prohibits defeating the copy protection on a DVD - and laws are even stronger than some local school districts rule-e-poos. What you might choose to do with this law in the privacy of your own home is one thing but you can't break a Federal law in the bright light of a public job and make it OK because of your wish to eliminate profanity.
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    Holy Cow did I post in the legal forum? Would it be OK if I didn't get parent approval but I recorded it off broadcast TV? It was still a rated R movie but it was toned down for regular TV. Well in essence I am doing the same thing. I am trying to make it a PG-13 movie.

    As for the other legal issues, how come it is OK to purchase a DVD from family edited DVDs and receive an "edited backup" copy from them too. I already own the DVD so I should be able to edit my backup copy too, no? Isn't it legal to make a backup copy for yourself when you own something?
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    I don't know if the US copyright is different, but over here showing DVDs to class as part of the education process is not classified as a public performance, and is permissible under fair use. Showing the same movie at lunchtime for entertainment would be a public performance, however there are licenses available to schools to get around this as well. Given much of our copyright law is derived from US and UK regulations, I would be surprised if the US doesn't have similar provisions.

    That said, fair use does not cover or include removal of electronic copy-protection measures, so technically you are breaking the law when you rip and edit a DVD.

    On a personal note, I thought science was the pursuit of fact, so I can't see where Outbreak comes into it anyway.
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    Originally Posted by glenn71x
    Holy Cow did I post in the legal forum?
    People love to pretend to be lawyers on Internet forums.

    I think it's a non-issue myself, but to cover yourself, write a memo to the headmaster and get his explicit permission on paper.

    Technically, it's pretty easy. Baldrick's method will work, will take about 1 hour all told I think.
    I might rip the subtitles and use that to get the timings of any naughty words to make finding them in the sound editor easier.

    As for using "Outbreak" in a science class -- the science is pretty dodgy. While the symptoms of Ebola are more or less accurate (from what I've read), the method of the "cure" is just fantasy.

    Try to get your class to read "The Hot Zone". Very readable and all true.
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    I know the science in Outbreak is not the best, but it is also for entertainment purposes. The school year is basically over so I am looking for some fun things. The basic premise of a terrible virus getting out and the speed in which it can spread is the point I am making. Again, it is for entertainment. What can I say, I am a fun teacher.
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    Don't know about Ebola, but I just got over a dose of C-dif.
    I was shi**ing through the eye of a needle for two weeks - not as much fun as it sounds.
    I think a better movie would be Shaun of the Dead - the problems faced by the undead in an urban landscape - very PC.
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    Originally Posted by glenn71x
    Holy Cow did I post in the legal forum? Would it be OK if I didn't get parent approval but I recorded it off broadcast TV? It was still a rated R movie but it was toned down for regular TV. Well in essence I am doing the same thing. I am trying to make it a PG-13 movie.

    As for the other legal issues, how come it is OK to purchase a DVD from family edited DVDs and receive an "edited backup" copy from them too. I already own the DVD so I should be able to edit my backup copy too, no? Isn't it legal to make a backup copy for yourself when you own something?
    Those family edited DVD's were banned in the US because they broke the DMCA law and were edited without the copyright owners permission.Clearplay is the only LEGAL way for a user to edit a DVD,the Clearplay DVD player simply mutes the audio on playback.Making a backup in the US is still a grey area,there is a conflict between fairuse and the DMCA.The US Supreme court ruling regarding fairuse was for timeshifting tv broadcasts,I am not passing judgement because I make backups too.
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    Banned in the USA? familyediteddvds.com is a Texas based company that is selling the DVDs right now. You get an edited backup copy free when you purchase a regular copy. Go see for yourself. Totally legal according to them
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    Originally Posted by glenn71x
    Banned in the USA? familyediteddvds.com is a Texas based company that is selling the DVDs right now. You get an edited backup copy free when you purchase a regular copy. Go see for yourself. Totally legal according to them
    Read what he wrote a little closer.....

    Originally Posted by MOVIEGEEK
    Those family edited DVD's were banned in the US because they broke the DMCA law and were edited without the copyright owners permission.
    and as for
    familyediteddvds.com
    , maybe they have permission or pay for the right to do it, or, maybe they have just not been caught up with yet 8)

    I could point you to at least a dozen sites on the internet that sell illegal dvd's, in the U.S. & Oversea's......
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    Originally Posted by glenn71x
    Banned in the USA? familyediteddvds.com is a Texas based company that is selling the DVDs right now. You get an edited backup copy free when you purchase a regular copy. Go see for yourself. Totally legal according to them
    According to them it's legal but a US judge said what they are doing is illegal in 2006,why they are still in business is a mystery:
    http://www.backstage.com/bso/news_reviews/multimedia/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002802114
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    @the OP :

    regardless of the legality or otherwise, for a one-off event, it is a large amount of work. It would be far easier to sit there with the remote and hit the Mute button at the right time.
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    If you read the guidelines posted by MOVIEGEEK, there's a section that says "The material must legitimately acquired (a legal copy). It must be used in a classroom or similar place "dedicated to face-to-face instruction". Not for use as entertainment or reward. The use should be instructional."

    It's not instructional. It's a cinematic work of fiction, and it isn't itself being studied. It's being shown for a little fun at the end of term. That's why I think it's a public performance.

    On the other hand, if he wanted to show the recent PBS documentary about the swine flu epidemic in 1918, there'd be no problems for several reasons. but the kids wouldn't be amused.
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    I've seen very few movies lately, and by lately I mean in the last 500 years, with actual curses in them. Do you really mean curses or are you talking about vulgarities.

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