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  1. Member
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    hello please help

    i am trying to copy my DVD RAM discs to a pc hard drive

    i have recorded many tv programmes to dvd ram discs
    using a normal home dvd recorder (panasonic dmr-e55)

    and now want to transfer all these tv programmes to my computer's hard disk WITH NO LOSS OF QUALITY


    i do not want convert the files to different formats etc
    i just want to perfectly copy all the separate tv programmes (dvd ram disc chapters) as they are


    so i can store all my tv programmes on the hard drive
    (and maybe in the future edit, crop and re organise them etc)


    can anyone tell me how to do it
    as i say it must be WITH NO LOSS OF QUALITY


    my problems have been

    i cannot just drag (copy) the contents of a DVDRAM
    it just comes up as one big single .vro file

    and some copying software i have looked at says convert encode etc etc and as i say I WANT TO BE 100% SURE i am not altering the quality of the tv programmes IN ANY WAY when i copy them (to make a perfect copy of each file as they exist on the DVDRAM disks now)


    please can anybody tell me how to do it
    if needs be i am willing to buy the correct software

    greatest thanks
    richard
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  2. Member classfour's Avatar
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    Try TDA, Mpeg2vcr, I've even imported using Media Player Classic 6.4 - you set the .vro file to open in explorer - then click on "open" in the file browser, and do "save as". be certain to name it (your choice) .mpg
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  3. Member DB83's Avatar
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    I do not think you can do all you want to.

    Essentially, the VRO is an mpeg-2 stream. If it is already on your HDD then you can just rename the file to .mpg. All the programs on the disk are merged into one but you could use VideoRedo to split the programs with no loss of original quality.

    Ulead Video Studio can read dvd -rw disks (similar format) and autoamtically import the separate programs as mpeg but not sure about dvd-ram. You could always use the free trial version to see if it works.
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    i cannot just drag (copy) the contents of a DVDRAM
    it just comes up as one big single .vro file
    Why can't you copy the .vro?

    The .vro is the contents of the DVDRAM.

    If you copy the .vro to the HD, you will have exactly what you are asking for, as I read it an unconverted file from the DVDRAM disk to store on the hd.

    And although it maybe a little tedious depending on the number of programs, you can even accomplish
    (and maybe in the future edit, crop and re organise them etc)
    Tearren
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    Don't jus copy the .VRO file; copy the whole DVD_RTAV folder to your hard drive. Then you can play it with WinDVD, which will show you all the individual titles and chapters.

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    I agree, you could just copy the DVD_RTAV folder, which would preserve everything, of course, until you can edit. The additional files require little space, especially when compared to the VRO file.

    If you need an editor that works with VRO files, TDA is a very good choice, especially if you want to re-author. It can detect the individual programs.

    However. if you need a free program (at least for PC users) that can work with VRO files without you needing to rename them, MPEG Streamclip is one which you might try. It would allow you to split the VRO's into individual programs and save each as an mpg. It can work with VRO files on either a DVD-RAM disc or an HDD. MPEG Streamclip does this with no loss of quality, but you have to find the start and end of each program yourself. It's not frame-accurate either (and niether are most of the other editors mentioned) but it may be good enough.
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  7. You could copy your .VRO file then rename it to *.mpg
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    Just copying (and renaming) the .VR_MOVIE.VRO file can cause problems if the disc was recorded in multiple sessions, as is often the case with recording TV shows with a DVD recorder. You really need the VR_MANGR.IFO file.

    Several of the TMPGEnc products icluding TDA can seperate the .VRO file into the individual programs via the "Source Wizard". These are saved to your hard disk as .dvddata files, which can be renamed *.mpg with no probs.

    The least expensive way to take this route it TMPGEnc DVD Source Creator for $40US. That's like, what, only two or three British Pounds these days (cheap) :wink:
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    Panasonic DVD Movie Album's Copy Tool does this. It has been reported here that it can be obtained from Panasonic for a small price. Invaluable software when using DVD RAM discs. Forum link is here:

    http://forum.videohelp.com/topic341861.html?highlight=panasonic%20movie%20album
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    I have both TDA and DVD Movie Album, and would much rather go the TMPGEnc route. I find Movie Album to be rather clunky. It also does not support AC3 audio. Still, it does get the job done.

    Interesting to hear that it's still available.
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    Dear everyone
    who has responded i to want to thank you greatly for your advice


    It seems like there are a few solutions and i think the following is the route i will use:


    step one:
    I put the dvd-ram disk into my computer's dvd disk drive



    step two :
    I drag/copy the whole DVD_RTAV folder from the dvd-ram disk on to my pc's hard drive

    and all the contents (tv programmes - chapters etc) of the dvd-ram disk are stored perfectly as three files .vro .bup .ifo in this DVD_RTAV folder
    This process creates a 100% perfect duplicate copy to my pc's hard drive of the original dvd-ram disk contents.
    (I could stop here if i just wanted to copy my dvd-ram disk to my pc hard drive)



    step three
    I can then access the recorded information stored in this DVD_RTAV folder (.vro .ifo. bup),
    with a software programme which can read the three files .vro .ifo .bup files

    - this software will use the .ifo file (chapter information)
    to read the .vro file (video information)
    as the separate tv programmes etc i recorded


    Due to my specific requirements and after using the demo version of TDA (and reading other peoples reviews)
    i think maybe that is the software for me to try

    because using the TDA software to access the chapters stored in the DVD_RTAV folder happens without any alteration to the quality of my original recordings and this was what i wanted to be 100% sure of
    i.e. no re-encoding etc
    and also TDA allows one to edit,play,reorganise etc the recordings (tv programmes - chapters etc)



    Anyway once again thanks to everyone who helped
    and to videohelp for this forum



    Richard
    April 2008




    p.s. i also want to thank fedet123 for the following reply he sent when i asked him a related question

    Hi there.

    Yes, you put your DVD-RAM-disc into the DVD drive on your PC, and copy the "DVD_RTAV" folder to your hard drive. Then open TMPG DVD Author, and select "Create new project", then select "Add DVD-video". This opens a small window, in which you select the "DVD_RTAV" folder of your choice.
    If you have several programs/recordings on your disc, they will be showed as "Program 1,2,3..." etc..

    TMPG DVD Author will not re-encode any of the video input, so you will keep the exact digital quality all the way.
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  12. DVD Movie Album is great, but don't use it on your original files. It overwrites those.
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