FullHD not really FullHD. Ripped off:(

[[.Q.]]

ok...i arrive home after vacation and install my brand new Phillips Full HD 42" LCD.

Then when i connect it via dvi->hdmi i dont get 1080 desktop resolution (max 1440x800). I start reading.. and see that this ornament is HD ready and full HD at the same time...AFAIK HD ready was 1360x768 and full HD is 1920x1080... in the PDF it says:
http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/4/42pfl7762d_12/42pfl7762d_12_pss_aen.pdf

It is both full HD and HD ready. The funny thing is for 42" HD ready LCD 1300 euros seems way overpriced...

are your full HD lcds also only capable of 1360x768 PC resolutions?

i`m thinking of taking it back and bashing in the guys head in with it for selling Full HD story and crappy "i cant test it here"!


Maybe i am missing something. video formats are 1080
help?
Thx

[suntech]

I had the same issue with a Olevia 23 inch LCD. At the time I bought it they touted it as full HD but it was only 1360x768. When I called the company's support line. I talked to a very annoyed support tech who told me that 1360x768 is full HD. I told him that my cable box output was 1920x1080 and that was full HD. No satisfaction!

[jagabo]

HD Ready normally means it doesn't have a built in tuner. It has nothing to do with the native resolution. Although you will find that HD Ready tv's are older and less likely to have 1920x1080 native resolution.

Full HD generally means a native resolution of 1920x1080.

You're problem appears to be that your graphics card isn't sending out a 1920x1080 50 Hz or 60 Hz signal. Go the the display setup applet and make sure you have the monitor settings set to 50 Hz or 60 Hz. You may have to update your drivers.

The next issue will be whether or not the TV supports pixel-for-pixel mapping, or whether it's going to overscan the HDMI inputs.

[mats.hogberg]

The definition is obviously local. Here (in Sweden) Full HD means 1920x1080, HD Ready means 1360x768. As always, it's just marketing "dumb down" terms.

/Mats

[Kayembee]

[.Q.] wrote:
> ok...i arrive home after vacation and install my brand new
> Phillips Full HD 42" LCD.
>
> Then when i connect it via dvi->hdmi i dont get 1080 desktop
> resolution (max 1440x800). I start reading.. and see that this
> ornament is HD ready and full HD at the same time...AFAIK HD
> ready was 1360x768 and full HD is 1920x1080... in the PDF it
> says:
> http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/4/42pfl7762d_12/42pfl7762d_12_pss_aen.pdf

I read the PDF. It says the TV's native display is
1920x1080p. I would guess that's what they mean by "Full HD". It
also says the highest-res input it takes is 720p/1080i, and
1360x768 from PCs.

Over here (US), "HD Ready" just seems to mean there's no
built-in HD source (i.e., a tuner). In terms of resolution all it
seems to mean is that it has HD inputs (>= 720p) from which it
can display in HD (>= 720p).

> It is both full HD and HD ready. The funny thing is for 42" HD
> ready LCD 1300 euros seems way overpriced...

I don't know. I'm in the US.

> are your full HD lcds also only capable of 1360x768 PC
> resolutions?

"Full HD" is a marketing term, not a technical spec,
far's I know. I haven't run into it, but in context I think they
mean the native resolution of the display (1080p).

> i`m thinking of taking it back and bashing in the guys head in
> with it for selling Full HD story and crappy "i cant test it
> here"!

If it isn't what you want then yes, try to get your money
back, and get something better.

> Maybe i am missing something. video formats are 1080 help? Thx

In the US, the lowest res that gets to be called "HD" is
720p, and broadcast HD is always 720p or 1080i.

It looks to me like the salesman did not lie to you,
strictly speaking, though he may have intentionally misled you.
Like I said, if you're not satisfied, you should try to either
get your money back, or exchange it for a more satisfactory set.
Best of luck.

[mpiper]

Unfortunately, 90% of TVs sold anywhere are really 768 not 1080.

HD, in reality simply means it can display 480P, 720P, 1080i, or 1080P those are all (technically) HD. Since each level of resolution involves more expensive hardware, the industry seems to have decided 768 is the magic number to call a TV HD. This allows them to play 480p and 720p as well as drop 1080i and 1080p to 768p.

I own a 1080i native TV, and will eventually upgrade to a 1080p flatpanel. But, as you discovered, even 1080p TVs may not accept 1080P inputs (they upscale internally only).

I would take it back, and before you buy, ask to read the owners manual. It will give all the tech details and you'll know what you are getting before you get home.

Good luck!

[jagabo]

The PDF clearly states that the native resolution of the LCD panel is 1920x1080. It also states that it supports 1080p "display resolutions" at 24, 25, 30, 50, and 60 Hz. I think the graphics card settings or driver is at fault.

[Kayembee]

The PDF clearly states that the native resolution of the LCD panel is 1920x1080. It also states that it supports 1080p "display resolutions" at 24, 25, 30, 50, and 60 Hz. I think the graphics card settings or driver is at fault.

It says that, but it also says the highest-res computer input it takes is 1360x768@60Hz.
And then, on the next page (under "Product highlights"), it says it "can display 720p and
1080i signals at 50 and 60Hz".

Confusing? Certainly. Self-contradicting? I think so. But my bottom-line impression is
that it won't accept a 1080p input from anything.

[[.Q.]]

i`ve update the drivers remotely from work and installed avivo. i`ll let you know what happened.

big thanks for the quick replys

[[.Q.]]

saaaaaaaaaaved

following steps were performed:
1. update drivers. After this the 2 DVI outputs were displayed individually and i could choose 1080p NTSC (30FPS). After i set that the display went into overdrive and displayed a rather HUGE picture
2. then i pulled the resolution in the display propr. up to 1080 (it wasnt). After this i got a 1080 res but the writing was terrible and the image looked like it came from S-VIDEO
3. then i found what SINGER said... i switched from TV to PC in the LCD menu and pop it looks like crystal.

the first time i test 1080 PERSONALLY... i was ... shit almost made me cry... its insane...
thanks for the help and happy HDing

[wiak]

i dont think phillips got any FullHD yet
and the resolution should be 1920x1080 Progressive
my Sony Bravia KDL-40W2000 is FullHD, atleast it accepts 1920x1080p via HDMI ^^
and has a 1:1 pixelmapping option in menu

btw what video card? meybe update drivers and change refresh rate?
i have to set mine to 1920x1080p 50hz to get it to fit right, must be a bug wiht 60hz

forget the PC input, HDMI input is the input you should allways use!

[jagabo]

i dont think phillips got any FullHD yet

Philips has many 1920x1080p HDTVs.