DVDs with PCM audio. Is there an easier way yet?

[Faustus]

I'm gonna assume no.

But I have a DVD with PCM Audio and if there is an easy way to convert the audio to something else it would fit just fine. As is you would have to compress the video to non existence to to get it on a DVD-R

Since I've been "out" for a while I figured I'd check to see if someone has made an easier way yet.

[Noahtuck]

Easier way than what ??

Yeah...
just convert it to DD/AC3.

Or are you talking about backing up a pressed dvd with PCM and keeping everything and just converting the audio ?

Because i know there are way's & guides to insert new audio or what have you and keeping everything original, although i have never done it.

[Faustus]

So the answer is no it seems. Easier way meaning has one of the Automatic tools gotten around to adding audio conversion.

Looks like the answer is no.

[jman98]

So the answer is no it seems. Easier way meaning has one of the Automatic tools gotten around to adding audio conversion.

Looks like the answer is no.

No because you have no idea how rare this is. I can only think of one DVD I have that has only PCM audio and no AC3 and it is a single layer disc. I guess you joined 5 years ago, asked one question, and then went away. There are certainly ways to do what you want done manually and rebuild the DVD in question with AC3 audio instead of PCM, but to do so requires you to do work instead of just clicking a few buttons. Rip and demux the DVD, convert the PCM audio to AC3 using BeSweet or some similar tool and build it back like in this guide:
https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=275603
This guide is about adding subtitles, but you can follow the procedure and skip the subtitle stuff and you'll get a DVD with AC3 audio instead of PCM by just replacing the PCM audio with the new AC3 file you created when you use MuxMan to put everything together. One click, nope, but it works.

[Faustus]

No because you have no idea how rare this is. I can only think of one DVD I have that has only PCM audio and no AC3 and it is a single layer disc. I guess you joined 5 years ago, asked one question, and then went away.

First, I'm a mod. I've just not paid attention to the tool changes for a while. Lastly I know one area where its much more common then you think for PCM audio to turn up.

I know about the manual methods I've done them before. I was just doing a quick check to see if something better had come along.

[Noahtuck]

Asked one question

You should at least check post count's before making such statement's

And PCM audio is NOT that rare... i have a LOT of music, concert & video, pressed dvd's that have both DD & PCM Audio And some that are just PCM 8)

EDIT:
Ya know... everyone who hang's on here does not do so for the same reason, ripping or backing up dvd's

[hech54]

I guess you joined 5 years ago, asked one question, and then went away.

WOW. Dude...as has been previously stated...Faustus is a long-time fixture here and a MOD. And obviously a super patient person since he didn't accidentally hit the BAN button.

[Noahtuck]

I guess you joined 5 years ago, asked one question, and then went away.

WOW. Dude...as has been previously stated...Faustus is a long-time fixture here and a MOD. And obviously a super patient person since he didn't accidentally hit the BAN button.

LMFAO!!!
Ahh... he was not that bad :P

[Faustus]

And obviously a super patient person since he didn't accidentally hit the BAN button.

Na, I don't have such a big ego that I would freak when someone doesn't know who I am, or what the blue titles mean.

Also since I've not been around much for a while, until just like a week ago.

[hech54]

I'm sure Faustus would not have banned him permanently....but I'm not sure I could have contained myself from doing something at least a bit deviate.
That is why I'll never be a mod....

[SLK001]

Most of my porn... I mean my neighbor's porn DVD's have PCM audio only. And, they are dual layer disks!

[tac7]

Since I've been "out" for a while I figured I'd check to see if someone has made an easier way yet.

I think using Verbatim DVD+R DLs is presently the only quick, or short-term solution. I just backed up a DVD that supported PCM audio only, and since the compression with Shrink would have run into the red (45%), I didn't have to compromise video or audio quality.

[turk690]

Commercial DVDs with PCM only are not that rare. One recent example is Madonna's Confessions Tour concert DVD which had DTS 5.1 & linear PCM stereo; no Dolby Digital. Short of using a double-layer DVD+R to copy it the other alternative is to demux back to elementary streams, encode any of the audio tracks to DD, then re-author the whole thing. Whether Madonna is worth the price of a DVD+R DL blank or the effort in re-authoring it with a recoded DD track to fit on a single-layer is up to the beholder, but I feel this is a publisher's indirect way of reducing the number of casual copiers who, as has been put, are wont to copy DVDs only if it involves "just a few clicks". Of course seasoned & determined copying-party organizers are NOT going to let the price of a double-layer blank get in the way, but you see my point.
Taking this cue, I shot, edited, & authored a local concert that ran to 1h58mins. Including around 30mins of extras, all of which ONLY had linear PCM, the entire thing required 8.2Gb, definitely double-layer territory. I then tried to shrink it down with both DVD Shrink and Nero Recode and even at 42% compression both still produced VIDEO_TS folders about 4711Mb big, still in the red, which still can't fit on a single layer.
As I predicted, I got orders for more copies than usual.
Linear PCM with double-layer DVD+Rs could yet be one hedge of videographers/authors against casual copiers.
One question I'd like to put: I use Adobe Encore 1.5. Even if all my audio assets are linear PCM and have deliberately been marked as NOT to be transcoded, Encore still encodes all the menu audio as DD 192kb/s even though all TS indeed are left untouched linear PCM. Do DVD specifications not allow the use of linear PCM for menu audio or does Encore 1.5 have a bug or a box somewhere I haven't ticked??

[ntscuser]

I'm gonna assume no.

But I have a DVD with PCM Audio and if there is an easy way to convert the audio to something else it would fit just fine. As is you would have to compress the video to non existence to to get it on a DVD-R

Since I've been "out" for a while I figured I'd check to see if someone has made an easier way yet.

I don't understand the question? What is wrong with conventional methods?

Reauthor with TMPGEnc or

Import to DVD-LAB and use TMPGEnc AC-3 plug-in to convert PCM.

Am I missing something?

[Faustus]

I don't understand the question? What is wrong with conventional methods?

Am I missing something?

Because I wanted to keep the entire original structure in place and with out having to invest a lot of time. I just used DLs on those disk. I just think its a shame one of the conversion packages still hasn't thought about sound in all this time.

Most of my porn... I mean my neighbor's porn DVD's have PCM audio only. And, they are dual layer disks!

Yes my neighbor's seems to have decided that a large movie with PCM audio so that you need a DL disk and must rule out the one click tools is a better backup control method then fancy encryption and judging from what I'm seeing looking at the tools these days they are right.

[turk690]

You did not miss anything, but TMPGEnc & DVD-lab are not freeware, and it will require substantially more than "a few clicks": definitely not "casual" or "easy", as Faustus originally wanted. If the costs of double-layer DVD blanks are a bother, re-authoring indeed is the only way. And it's not even as smooth sailing as we'd like even with DL: Image Burn, for example, still wants you to specify/choose a layer-break whether or not it was in there originally.

[manono]

...but TMPGEnc & DVD-lab are not freeware, and it will require substantially more than "a few clicks": definitely not "casual" or "easy", as Faustus originally wanted.

It's both casual and easy, using freeware. It just takes several steps is all. Demux (PGCDemux), convert the PCM to AC3 (Aften), remux with AC3 audio (Muxman), put back into the original DVD keeping menus and anything else worth keeping (VobBlanker). Similar to the method jman98 outlined earlier.

[Pinstripes23]

...but TMPGEnc & DVD-lab are not freeware, and it will require substantially more than "a few clicks": definitely not "casual" or "easy", as Faustus originally wanted.

It's both casual and easy, using freeware. It just takes several steps is all. Demux (PGCDemux), convert the PCM to AC3 (Aften), remux with AC3 audio (Muxman), put back into the original DVD keeping menus and anything else worth keeping (VobBlanker). Similar to the method jman98 outlined earlier.

@Faustus

Having done this numerous times and not just with audio, but with menus, video, subs, etc...this is definitely the easiest and best way to do what you want to do. The only thing is, you will probably use roughly 3-4x the DVD size in HDD space.

Because I wanted to keep the entire original structure in place and with out having to invest a lot of time.

In all honesty I can probably do what you want to do in 30 minutes tops on my system. So it may not be one click but it's not like it should take you hours to do this.

[SPIRITOF98]

I used RATDVD for my PCM movies worked great and easier than what it used to be.