Adding 'Noise' to Sepia Tone Effect... (Premiere Pro 1.5)

[Raniburger]

Hey Guys...

Does anybody have any tips or tricks for adding noise, dust, speckles etc to a Sepia Tone colour matte? (Premiere Pro) I have created the Matte but am trying to give it that real 'vintage' flavour by adding the above effects. I know that there is a 'noise' video effect available, however this doesn't really give me the look I'm after. Do I have to create all of this 'noise' myself, or does anyone know of a way of adding this without having to fiddle around for ages...

Thanks guys...

[rsgars]

How about something like a particle generating effect. Off hand I am thinking of Trapcode Particular, but it is rather expensive. I would think that is the kind of plug-in you need. You may not be able to do this in Premiere, you might have to create that kind of effect in After Effects.

You might find more detailed answers at www.creativecow.net

[dipstick]

Wax2 (free) has a particle generator and can be used as a plugin within Premiere. Never played with it much, but might be just what you want.

[rsgars]

Thanks, I am going to check that out myself.

[dipstick]

I had a chance to play with wax2 today and created a noise effect using the Texture Video Plugin in Wax2. Don't know if it's what you want, but you can check it out:


p_noise.avi

[Raniburger]

Thanks guys... That's about as good as I'm gonna get it I suppose. I can play around with that a bit, but it's a great start!

Thanks also for posting your .avi dipstick.

[Raniburger]

After you install the plug-in into the correct folder, do you need to do anything else to get it to work? Is there a special menu you need to select once in Premier Pro, or does it just slot in with the standard video effects? I can't seem to find it as an available option...

One thing... i did note that the plug-in states that it's for Premiere, not necessarily Pro. Can I just ask: Dipstick - are you using Premiere or Premiere Pro? If it's Pro, then which version are you using?

Thanks again...

[guns1inger]

Cinemotion and Cinelook are probably the best plugin for simulating different film stocks and chemical effects. Cinelooks also ships ith a module called Film Damage which does all youa re asking for and more.

Read about them here -> http://www.digieffects.com/products.shtml#C2WIN

They are for After Effects, but should load into Premiere Pro

[Raniburger]

Thanks Guns1inger, but this is only going to be a very short clip within my DVD & as such I don't want to go out and buy a whole package just for this. The solution offered by dipstick was ideal, and the effect in his sample was close enough to what I wanted - however I couldn't find the effect in the menu after I had installed the files into the Premiere Pro Plugin folder. Does this plugin work with Premiere Pro 1.5 or just older versions?

If I have loaded it correctly, shouldn't it just appear as a new folder within the 'Video Effects' menu? Maybe I'm just doing something wrong, but I did download wax2 and thought I had installed it correctly. What's throwing me is that when I installed it, it didn't offer my version of Pro (1.5) as an option.

Thanks again guys...

[daamon]

Thanks guys... That's about as good as I'm gonna get it I suppose. I can play around with that a bit, but it's a great start!

Not so quick...

There's an awesome filter that, I'm sure, will achieve exactly what you're after. You'll need the following:

1) VirtualDub (free)
2) The Panasonic DV Codec (free)
3) The VirtualDub MSU OldCinema Filter 1.7 (free)

This filter is awesome: black and white, sepia, 15fps, scratches, dust, hair - even the effect of an old style projector lamp making the centre brighter than the edges.

Trust me, have a play with this and you truly won't be disappointed. Output your end product as DV AVI (with the Panasonic DV Codec) and drop straight into to Premiere Pro ready for use.

Seriously - give it a go...

[träskmannen]

You can also try Windows Movie Maker, it has some "old"-effects as well. I have tried it and the result is better than I had expected from that program.

[thefiddler]

Too bad you picked Premiere, Vegas has a couple of presets in its plugins that are designed just for getting a film look and other similar aged, grainy, and filmic looks. Not sure if the trial version will let you export, but you can try it out at: http://www.sonymediasoftware.com

[Raniburger]

Thanks daamon!!! I couldn't have asked for anything better! You're right, that's EXACTLY what I wanted. I wish Premiere Pro had a filter like that included...

Anyway, thanks again mate.

[daamon]

Thanks daamon!!! I couldn't have asked for anything better! You're right, that's EXACTLY what I wanted. I wish Premiere Pro had a filter like that included...

Anyway, thanks again mate.

No problem, it's a pleasure - I felt pretty much the same way when I discovered that particular gem. I'm glad you're so chuffed! Enjoy...

[Raniburger]

OK, one last thing on this topic...

Is there any reason why running my AVI file through VirtualDub (with just one filter) would drastically increase the size of the file? My original .AVI file (captured in Premiere Pro 1.5) was 580Mb before processing with the Old Cinema filter in VirtualDub. After re-saving the new AVI, the file size has blown out to 4.9Gb. Now I understand thst file sizes can change in between formats, however is it normal for it to get this big?

The clip is only just over 2 mins in length! Surely I shouldn't have to devote nearly 5Gb to such a short clip. This filter is not a particularly complicated one, and I have made no other changes to the original file. Is there anything I can try to keep the file size close to the original?

Thanks again guys...

[träskmannen]

That can be a bit surprising when you don't expect it. Virtual Dub will save uncompressed files unless you order it to do otherwise, and that can indeed swell far beyond what is possible to handle. Go to Video - Compression and choose a codec that fits your needs before saving the filtered AVI in V-dub. I would recommend to use whatever DV-AVI that you have installed on your computer.

[Raniburger]

Oops... you just beat me to it. Figured out that you have to change the compression settings. Once I did that, the file is now the same size as the original. Thanks for the advice - I had never used VirtualDub before.

Much appreciated...

[daamon]

@ Raniburger: As an addendum, uncompressed AVI is ~5 times bigger than DV AVI. So your 580Mb to 4.9Gb is about right.

If you look back to my recommendation to use VirtualDub and that filter, you'll alse see the Panasonic DV Codec recommended too - selecting that in VirtualDub (as you've found) will do the job.

Well done on getting it sorted yourself - others would've spat their dummy out, chucked all theirs toys out of the pram, and pronounced that VirtualDub and / or the filter is a load of rubbish!

[Lileman]

This is a great filter, but when should i use it.
I have Adobe Premier, i just got new camcorder, so should i capture in premier or can i do in in vdub? Should i do all the work in premier save the file and then open in vdub? If i use adobe what format do i save the video, is there a dv format or something that would keep the integrity of the file. thanks for the help and sorry for the various questions, my first time using DV and wanting to do work in vdub, i only use vdub for minor things.

[daamon]

Hi SirScrub124,

1) Capture using Premiere or similar, I use WinDV. It makes no difference to the quality - it's just a straight transfer and you get the same DV AVI file.

VirtualDub doesn't capture from DV sources.

2) Then either...

a) If you want the whole project to have the sepia effect, do all your work in Premiere Pro, save from their using a File Type of "Microsoft DV AVI" in the "Settings", and then run it through VirtualDub and the Old Cinema Filter.

Or...

b) If you're only wanting sections of the end project in sepia, do any editing you need to in Premiere Pro (if any), treat those in VirtualDub and then bring back into the project.

Good luck.

[Lileman]

thanks for the help. i want the whole video to have this effect, so where should i convert it to MPEG2 so i could burn it as a dvd. I was told Adobe does a better job converting the DV AVI to mpeg rather then using something like TMPGENC. What are your thoughts on that
And what codec should i use in vdub so i can keep the integrity of the film, i dont want to compress it until i run it in adobe premier....

[daamon]

Adobe Premiere Pro uses the Mainconcept MPEG Encode which is considered one of the best ones. TMPGEnc (in my experience) does a good job - it's just that it's said to be slow. I've never used the Mainconcept encode, so I can't compare.

As for the codec... Read earlier in the thread: use the Panasonic DV Codec and have VirtualDub set to Video -> Full Processing Mode.

[Lileman]

appreciate the help, ive read mixed reviews about that codec but im sure it will be fine. I hope vdub works out for me, ive had situations where the audio would be come real messed up, like it would skip, out of sync and so on, but thanks, the filter is great.