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  1. Member
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    I've been surfing around and I found this site that claims to have created a new VCD format "CVCD" they claim to be able to fit up to 130 Min of VCD video on one 80 minutes cd, with better or equal quality to a regular VCD.

    You can create this CVCD using flask multipass, avisynth,tmpeg and nero.

    I tried to create one but I couldn't, since I wasn't able to make tmpge to open the avisyth file I created with flask.(I'll aprecciate any help regarding this issue)

    Here's the link: http://www.vcdsp.com the site is in Spanish, I can trasnlate any part for you, but only if you are willing to help.


    <font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: pepehdez on 2001-12-15 16:23:45 ]</font>
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  2. Disable the Directshow Plugin in the environmental settings of TMPGEnc to get it to load avisynth scripts. Also make sure you have downloaded and installed AVISynth (testing it is described in the readme included in the zip file), this can be found at videotools.net
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    Yeah, but how compatible is it with standalone dvd players?
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    Compress VCD sounds interesting but it sounds not not that compatible with DVD Players
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    It is supossed to be as compatible as a regular VCD, in Spain they are using it a lot they claim it's playable on most stand alone DVD players. I'm trying to get a sample so we can burn it an test it.

    I still can't open avisynth files on tmpge, already try uncheking directshow.I get the following message "IPCSource:Unable to connect to server"
    Please help, so I can upload a sample CVCD.




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    I only dream in black & white...
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    I've crated a couple so far, out of movie trailers. They are very good, they play on my Apex AD600A and my PC.

    Still I Can't open avisynth files with TMPGEnc. Please Help.

    I Have the CVCD TMPGEnc Template, ask me if you want it.
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  8. Member Dhruv's Avatar
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    Can you please e-mail it to me? Thanx in advance!
    Also, which guide are you using? There are several there.
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    can u send it to me also please. exsulto@yahoo.com
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  10. can you send me the template also
    Thanx in advance
    my e-mail is guyver310@home.com
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    may you please email it to me too:
    jud_o@hotmail.com
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  12. Please email too pliz bnguyen@solution4net.com

    thnx!
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    Yeah I would like a copy please my email is turborunner@postmark.net
    Thanks

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    I Have the CVCD TMPGEnc Template, ask me if you want it.

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  14. Can you email it to me also, please
    Nugrl321@aol.com
    Thanks in advance! : )
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  15. template too please...do you have the use flask & avisynth as part of this??

    esp7777@hotmail.com
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  16. Member Dhruv's Avatar
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    Ok here is what you do to make the PAL template! Open Notepad and copy and paste the following:

    object TMPEGConfigFile
    MPEG.Text = ''
    MPEG.WizardCategoryName = ''
    MPEG.WizardCaption = ''
    MPEG.WizardDescription = ''
    MPEG.OutputStreamType = MPEG_OutputStreamType_System_VideoAudio
    MPEG.OutputStreamType_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.StreamType = MPEGVideoEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1
    MPEG.Video.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.Width = 352
    MPEG.Video.Width_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.Height = 288
    MPEG.Video.Height_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.YUVFormat = 1
    MPEG.Video.YUVFormat_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.DC_prec = 0
    MPEG.Video.DC_prec_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.VideoEncodeMode = MPEGVideoEncoder_VideoEncodeMode_Progressive
    MPEG.Video.VideoEncodeMode_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.VideoEncodeMode_CantSelExtType = False
    MPEG.Video.FrameRate = 3
    MPEG.Video.FrameRate_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.AspectRatio = 1
    MPEG.Video.AspectRatio_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.RateControlMode = MPEGVideoEncoder_RateControlMode_VBR_Auto
    MPEG.Video.RateControlMode_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.MaxBitRate = 0
    MPEG.Video.MaxBitRate_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.CBR_BitRate = 1150000
    MPEG.Video.MVBR_MaxBitRate = 3000000
    MPEG.Video.MVBR_MinBitRate = 0
    MPEG.Video.MVBR_Quality_P = 0
    MPEG.Video.MVBR_Quality_B = 20
    MPEG.Video.MVBR_EnablePadding = False
    MPEG.Video.VBR_AvgBitRate = 1150000
    MPEG.Video.VBR_MaxBitRate = 3000000
    MPEG.Video.VBR_MinBitRate = 300000
    MPEG.Video.VBR_EnablePadding = False
    MPEG.Video.AVBR_Quality = 100
    MPEG.Video.AVBR_MaxBitRate = 1150000
    MPEG.Video.AVBR_MinBitRate = 350000
    MPEG.Video.AVBR_EnablePadding = True
    MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality = 50
    MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality_P = 0
    MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality_B = 20
    MPEG.Video.CQ_MaxBitRate = 3000000
    MPEG.Video.CQ_MinBitRate = 0
    MPEG.Video.CQ_EnablePadding = False
    MPEG.Video.MPCQ_AvgBitRate = 1150000
    MPEG.Video.MPCQ_MaxBitRate = 3000000
    MPEG.Video.MPCQ_MinBitRate = 300000
    MPEG.Video.MPCQ_MaxPassCount = 3
    MPEG.Video.MPCQ_Quality_P = 0
    MPEG.Video.MPCQ_Quality_B = 20
    MPEG.Video.MPCQ_EnablePadding = False
    MPEG.Video.VBVBufferSize = 114688
    MPEG.Video.VBVBufferSize_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.GOP_SeqHeaderInterval = 0
    MPEG.Video.GOP_SeqHeaderInterval_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.GOP_I_FrameCount = 1
    MPEG.Video.GOP_I_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.GOP_P_FrameCount = 5
    MPEG.Video.GOP_P_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.GOP_B_FrameCount = 2
    MPEG.Video.GOP_B_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit = False
    MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.Profile = 4
    MPEG.Video.Profile_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.Level = 8
    MPEG.Video.Level_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.VideoFormat = 2
    MPEG.Video.VideoFormat_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.DisplayWidth = 0
    MPEG.Video.DisplayWidth_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.DisplayHeight = 0
    MPEG.Video.DisplayHeight_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Video.MotionSearchSpeed = MPEGVideoEncoder_MotionSearchSpeed_MotionEstimate
    MPEG.Video.MotionSearch_AlwaysHalfPel = True
    MPEG.Video.UseFloatDCT = False
    MPEG.Video.QuantizeMode = True
    MPEG.Video.QuantizeModeVal_Intra = 35
    MPEG.Video.QuantizeModeVal_NonIntra = 35
    MPEG.Video.YUVBasicYCbCr = False
    MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra = {
    081013161A1B1D22101016181B1D222513161A1B1D22222616 161A1B1D222528
    161A1B1D202328301A1B1D202328303A1A1B1D22262E38451B 1D23262E384553}
    MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra = {
    10111213141516171112131415161718121314151617181913 14151617181A1B
    14151617191A1B1C151617181A1B1C1E1617181A1B1C1E1F17 18191B1C1E1F21}
    MPEG.Audio.StreamType = MPEGAudioEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1_Layer2
    MPEG.Audio.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Audio.SamplingFrequency = 44100
    MPEG.Audio.SamplingFrequency_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Audio.ChannelMode = 0
    MPEG.Audio.ChannelMode_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Audio.CantUseMono = False
    MPEG.Audio.BitRate = 128000
    MPEG.Audio.BitRate_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Audio.CalcCRC = False
    MPEG.Audio.CalcCRC_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Audio.OriginalFlag = False
    MPEG.Audio.OriginalFlag_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Audio.CopyrightFlag = False
    MPEG.Audio.CopyrightFlag_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Audio.PrivateFlag = False
    MPEG.Audio.PrivateFlag_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.Audio.EmphasisType = 0
    MPEG.Audio.EmphasisType_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.System.StreamType = MPEGSystemEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1_VBR
    MPEG.System.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
    MPEG.System.CommentText = ''
    MPEG.System.EnableCommentText = False
    end

    Now save the file as CVCD.mcf and put it in your TMPGEnc/Template dictory.
    Enjoy!
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  17. I WOULD ALSO LIKE A COPY OF THE TEMPLATE,,PLEASE..

    madcat112@hotmail.com
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  18. I woulod like the copy of the template please at irb2@po.cwru.edu Thanks in advance
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  19. Don't people read previous posts???
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  20. Member Dhruv's Avatar
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    I just did a 10 second test between SeVCD, VCD and CVCD. The quality was about the same for all three but the filesizes and encoding time (PIII 733Mhz, 256mb RAM) were:
    SeVCD: 1.6mbs, 50 secs
    VCD: 1.9mbs, 65 secs
    CVCD: 1.2mbs, 35 secs
    As you can see the winner is CVCD! I still haven't checked if it works on my Aiwa DV-170 though. But I think that if your DVD Player is compatible with XVCD, it can play CVCD.
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  21. Maybe I'm missing something here but how exactly is this a "new format"? It just sounds like XVCD with vbr encoding and a lower than standard audio bitrate. Been there, done that. Is there more to it?
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    Well, how do these things look?
    I personally make XVCDs whenever possible now at DVD resolution and 2300 bitrate. But I am always curious in trying new little methods and templates that attempt to put more on a CDR.
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  23. I think I may be missing something as well.... because everything Ive read from that site sounds as if they are creating a xVCD just with lower bitrate than 1150

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    Maybe its just xVCD, but it shows you how to fit 120 mins with great quality. Before if people wanted 120 mins on 1 CD the quality would be terrible. CVCD is basically xVCD but uses a new technique so that quality is good too.
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  25. I switched the CVCD from PAL to NTSC and tried it on my 2 players. My very very picky oritron refused it immediatly (I was expecting as much) while my KLS greatly excepted it. I noticed little difference in quality (it was only 3 minutes long just to test it out) but it wasn't near as small as I hoped it would. I could get maybe 90 minutes on a 80 min cdrw with it. But I may have messed up somewhere (as part of the screen was on the wrong side) and that's why. I will try the pal table posted here and see if I yeild better results.
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  26. " with great quality."

    Well I dont know about that, they already admit that basically they can get more movie at SAME VCD quality on a disk. And me personally would not call VCD "great quality"..now maybe you mean "great VCD quality", but it is still VCD quality none the less, which is nothing to write home to mommy about.
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  27. Member Dhruv's Avatar
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    Heres what I meant:
    Maybe its just xVCD, but it shows you how to fit 120 mins without losing quality.
    I don't know why I wrote great! Sorry!

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  28. Well I am impressed.
    I have just tried out the CVCD template with TMPG and am very impressed with the time/size/quality of the encodings :O ! hehe, very good stuff.

    I was expecting this to be some crappy xVCD rip off with lowered bitrate or something.

    I dont own a DVD player, only a VCD player so I am unsure wether or not it will play with 128kbps.

    I threw the same file through TMPG with CVCD template, it runs for 1 minute exact.
    (128kbps sound) - 5.64mb
    (224kbps sound) - 6.34mb (*try using this sound level if your DVD player doesnt play the original template, it is nice to see that this template doesnt only rely on lowered sound).

    Give this template a shot, the output will suprise you.
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  29. Just burnt the CVCD files (with Nero, un-compliant VCD) and stuck in VCD player and didnt even reconise that there was a CD in there which is a damn shame hehe.
    Anyone got some suggests for what I should do to increase chances of gettin it to work? Multiplex-Demultiplex maybe?

    Thanks.
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