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  1. Well, i am learning a lot from the replys. Tkz a lot ppl.
    As i said before, i did my best.

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    Originally Posted by simps
    Ok!
    I hope there are a lot of people out there that 90% of the encodes they do, are from .avi (divx, xvid, etc) to dvd! just like me
    So then, maybe this test can help

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    God, I hope not. There are too many "downloads are perfect" people as there is. Most of it illegal too.
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    Mine are all my own before I started using a DVD writer (read 'afford'.......people forget just how much they used to cost (£500 only 3 years back..and then the media) to make back ups...I never understood VCD or SVCD back-ups..why use two or three CD's when one xvid gives better results?)..played through TV-out..and later through an avi enabled DVD player..and even later, now that DVD players are so cheap (circa £30), I convert back to DVD (a player in everyroom).

    So whats your post trying to say....where all pirates?

    And the TEST is wrong anyway...it proves ZERO...as anyone who 'plays' with x/d's will know.
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    Originally Posted by lordsmurf
    Most of it illegal
    NOT

    Originally Posted by monzie
    all pirates?
    There is a difference.
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    Bold is GREAT....afterwards....just like hindsight.
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  6. Interesting test. It would be much better to use a source that has not been encoded to mpeg4 first.

    As for CCE 9 pass, I find using that many passes can actually make the image look worse.
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  7. Originally Posted by Skynet107
    Interesting test. It would be much better to use a source that has not been encoded to mpeg4 first.

    As for CCE 9 pass, I find using that many passes can actually make the image look worse.
    I was thinking the same thing when I read that. More than 3 seems superfluous/harmful.
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    I read this topic serveral times to get a better grip of things,
    after the over-loading fiuse's I had to jump over. Anyways.

    I think that if I understood correctly, that the test, though
    based on and Xvid/divX format, that the results finality/conclusions
    are for just that. Based on Xvid/divX format only.., and only that
    format.
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    If you were to start throwing in other format, then the test would
    become tainted w/ confusion, hence null-n-void, IMO.

    When we are performing important tests, our medium should always
    be of highest quality, for maximum and believable results. The reason
    why I'm driving in this direction, is because we are evolving into higher
    and higher quality source mediums. As these mediums get higher quality
    (over time) so should our "tools" of testing. That means the source.
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    DV (I'm a lover of) is pretty much here to stay, and it serves as
    a great test medium. Specially with clean source materials to begin
    with.
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    One of the reason why I mostly stay away from other formats (ie, Xvid
    divX etc) is because with these formats, (of which I worked with many
    times over) always looses out in the end. There are too many variables
    to adjust to make it consistant or standard of a gauge to use as a
    test medium. In other words, if you use 1.2.3.4.5 in your tests, you
    should not be altering them, such as, 2.4.3.1.5 for instance. And to
    me, that's what Xvid/divX (mpeg-4) does to me. Its just too unreliable
    to use as a test tool.
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    I would prefer, as I stated above, DV, or else even MPEG-2 (using
    standards of course, and they are much easier to set and be consistant
    with, then say MPEG-4 is - is not)

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    Encoder does not "know" what source material it is reencoding therefore every test is as legitimate as other. In either case frames are decompressed be4 reencoding so eventual degradation may be a cumulative of encoder plus decompressor's quality. Both are relevant and good to know in terms of expectations. I think testing, as in this example, was in that respect absolutely no less useful then from the original uncompressed source. Every encoder has its weak sides and test like this may shed some light onto them. I'd be also curious how they do in high bit areas (examples here are from rather static, low motion clips).
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  10. I believe that Main Concept MPEG Encoder is the best for batch encoding jobs.

    It's the only tool I've used that performs everything I've asked of it. I wanted something that would effortlessly burn avi's (in any codec) to mpeg1 or vcd. It'll also auto split the files to fit on a cdr.

    While the quality isn't the best (barely less then the competition), nothing compares in speed and ease of use in batch jobs. If I have 5 avi's, it takes less then 5 minutes to set them all up to be done. I average about 30-40 minutes per movie on a p4c 3.4gig.
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  11. yeah but mainconcept quality sux really bad
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  12. it might be easier to tell the overall comparison of an original dvd vs. the one that came from a xvid/divx by including some frames of the original source (dvd)..

    not sure if this is what you were trying to compare.. but for me it would help to see what type of quality you will be getting compared to a direct copy of the mpeg-2 dvd...
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  13. I thought this was some great info. I'm still a little new to this whole thing and have been wondering if the quality of the different encoders really justifies the cost. I'm picky about quality... but i'm also picky about not going bankrupt. I've made some svcd's from DIVX sources (Halo 2 fan montages... nothing illegal...) so this really helped. Thanks again...
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