hello
I don't have a dual or double layer burner yet as the media seems to bee too expensive.
any idea why this DL media has not droped in price in a similar fashion as single layer ( time of entry to field to now being similar)?
just curious.
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Early in the product cycle with high mfg cost and low demand until prices come down.
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Originally Posted by rotuts
I expect DL media to remain costly for the foreseeable future, but I hope I am wrong. -
Well Bod,
I guess Im wondering if Hollywood Could control the costs some way. and if so. how?
if you could make quality DL media at $4 or less/DVD how could Holly stop you?
you would certainly sell a lot!
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For single layer DVDR it was necessary for the industry to sell media at a loss for a while in order to prime the pump (increase demand) for DVD writers and future media sales.
Nobody has a vested interest to sell DL media at a loss. The process will proceed at a normal rate. -
Hollywood has no say when it comes to pricing DL discs.
DL discs have gone down in price since they first came out. i remember them first being sold (not too long ago) for $15 a piece, and now you could find them for about $5 a piece.
The main reasons i think the price of DL media is still high is:
1. Low competition: the only descent DL media i see now is Verbatim (MKM). Although there is ritek and CMC discs in the market and TDK coming soon, well there is simply not enough manufacturers to drive the price down. If TY, Maxell, Fuji and some others decide to venture into the DL arena, you would probably see a sharper price decline.
2. More expensive to manufacture than SL media. But not that costly as to explain the high price tag.
I remember when they first came out with DL discs, the manufacturers said it will cost about double the price of a SL disc. I don't see that happening soon. -
Originally Posted by rotuts
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I think price will drop too when there are DVD-R DLs as well as the DVD+R DLs we have now.
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you can get them for £2.25 from here thats not bad
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Right now, no bulk D/L product is out there, it's all in jewel cases, but bulk d/l disks are expected to come out in July, which should drop the cost below $4.00 per disk.
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the main reason is that not many can manufacture DL, and until then no way for reasonable prices.
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Supply needs to shift to the right (aka increase). -
Originally Posted by ice-berg
What's even more amazing is that both Ritek DVD+R DL and Ricoh DVD+R DL are made in the same Ritek factory and even look almost identical, but the compatibility difference between them is night and day.
You can get Ricoh's at Best Buy, branded as Fujifilm in 3-packs. In Europe though they go by their own Ricoh brand name and seem to be cheaper than in the US. The only downside is that they cannot burn at higher than 2.4x, but still, the amazing results are worth the wait. So, Verbatim does have an equally strong competition.
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Ed B.A.:
why do you say
What's even more amazing is that both Ritek DVD+R DL and Ricoh DVD+R DL are made in the same Ritek factory and even look almost identical, but the compatibility difference between them is night and day.
can you expalin further the night and day dif?
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I thought also that they havent ironed out the production and or compatibility issues yet... they are still a bit hit and miss when it comes to playing back...
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Originally Posted by rotuts
Second, independent of burner or firmware, there's something written on Ritek DL discs, either slightly past the end of first layer or the beginning of second layer (some written area at the outer edge), which throws the needed balance between layers, so one layer gets more physical writing then the other. So they are not equal. Perhaps it's some laser calibration thing, but both Sony DRU-700A and Pioneer A09XL do that only on Ritek DL's (different firmware revisions made no difference). What does it result in? Well, even on players that have no problem playing the second layer of Ritek, if you fast forward or rewind through the layer break area (normal speed playback is ok), then often there is some click and the player simply goes into a stop mode, or says that the disc is dirty or damaged. Never does that on Ricoh or Verbatim.
Third, the very old drives and players are completely unable to recognize Ritek DL's. Verbatims take a little while, but in the end everything is fine. Ricoh's, to my surprise, are recognized as fast as a pressed DVD9! On a side note, I always record with DVD-ROM bitsetting, so the booktype is not an issue.
The look-wise Riteks and Ricoh's look almost the same with similar ring numbers, same type of molding, etc.. They very much look the same, except for the dye, that has a somewhat different color.
Ice-berg, I will post a KProbe scan of Ricoh DL in a little while. -
Here's a scan of RicohjpnD00, burned with Pioneer A09XL, firmware 1.50. Scanned with Sony DRU-700A (Lite-On):
And here is the same exact material (and burner), now written to RitekD01:
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