SUPER Encoder... please help

[Chiggy]

Im doing my best to make SUPER encoder detect the second audio stream on my dual audio files (ENG-JAP Animes) but it just cant and plays/encodes only the first audio file it wants ignoring the next, even though SUPER has an option to detect audio streams.

Ive emailed the author of SUPER about this but they say SUPER can detect audio streams completely disregarding what i say, completely ignoring what i say in a suborn manner. idk if its my files that are the issue or if it is SUPER or not, but no matter what i do it doesnt give me the option to encode/play using the second audio stream, even though MPC-HC from the Klite Codec Pack detects them without any issue at all, what can i be doing wrong? Im at loss here, i really want to make SUPER my default encoder of choice due to its unrivaled codec export support, but this issue is just killing me

[Baldrick]

Super and klite....I'm out of here....

[ozok]

Super and klite....I'm out of here....

LOL

To op, if SUPER cannot detect the second audio then you should use an other program to see if the problem is with super or you file. Try TEncoder, if it is there TEncoder should detect it.

Btw why would anyone design such a hideous interface?

[hech54]

Super and klite....I'm out of here....

[Chiggy]

Sorry for the late reply... i didnt get email notification from this thread, even tho ive set it to instantly send me notifications form here

Wait, whats wrong with the Klite Codec Pack and SUPER? Its always highly rated by everyone Well, except maybe SUPER's clunky GUI, but its the only encoder that i know that lets you use such a variety of codecs

TEncoder detects a second audio stream, but when converting it to something else (while using h264 as the codec and mkv as the container) im only given the option of choosing one language for my output file, even when i dont choose the audio stream that i want and leave the selection feld blank, i still get only 1 audio in the output file!

Heres the MediaInfo report on the file im trying to work with, when i asked the developer and showed him the MediaInfo report he said its because of the file.... is it really from it? Is there something strange about my file? I have the file uploaded somewhere if someone can examine it themselves to see whys it doing this D:


Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 1
File size : 70.5 MiB
Duration : 23mn 37s
Overall bit rate : 417 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2009-03-14 09:02:18
Writing application : mkvmerge v2.3.0 ('Freak U') built on Sep 8 2008 18:32:16
Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 23mn 37s
Nominal bit rate : 338 Kbps
Width : 704 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 3:2
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.042
Writing library : x264 core 64 r979 6d4af8d
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:1:2 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / brdo=0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=32 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / bime=0 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=45(pre) / rc=2pass / bitrate=338 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=50000 / vbv_bufsize=50000 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=0
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Audio #1
ID : 3
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : HE-AAC / LC
Codec ID : A_AAC
Duration : 23mn 37s
Channel count : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz / 22.05 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Audio #2
ID : 4
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : HE-AAC / LC
Codec ID : A_AAC
Duration : 23mn 37s
Channel count : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz / 24.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Default : No
Forced : No

Text
ID : 2
Format : UTF-8
Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

[ozok]

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TEncoder detects a second audio stream, but when converting it to something else (while using h264 as the codec and mkv as the container) im only given the option of choosing one language for my output file, even when i dont choose the audio stream that i want and leave the selection feld blank, i still get only 1 audio in the output file!
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Well, you said SUPER wouldn't "detect" second audio stream. As far as I can see noone said anything about encoding both streams. Anyway, when I have to encode two audio streams at once, I use TEncoder's "Custom Options" option ("Tools" button > "Custom Options"). Write "-map 0:2" to "FFmpeg" textbox. Make sure ffmpeg is selected as encoder. Generally, 0th stream is video, 1st one is audio and second audio stream is the 2th stream. Note that mediainfo's stream numbers and ffmpeg's stream number may not match.

You can also use HandBrake, it also supports encoding multiple audio streams though I don't know if this feature is exposed in the official GUI.

[Chiggy]

Btw why would anyone design such a hideous interface?

I hear you on that one man, I swear if it werent for its diverse codec and container support i wouldnt come near it with a 10 mile radius, but its one of the few converters that dont call presets like "iphone" "ps3" or "android mp4" as codecs, since the great majority of video converters on the market do that, and instead SUPER gives you full choice of what codec you want to use, as opposed to other converters that work with just 2 codecs at max (*cough cough* Handbrake)

The only other option close to SUPER codec/container wise is AVANTI, and that one is.... lets just say once you use it SUPER feels like heaven

[Chiggy]

Well, you said SUPER wouldn't "detect" second audio stream. As far as I can see noone said anything about encoding both streams. Anyway, when I have to encode two audio streams at once, I use TEncoder's "Custom Options" option ("Tools" button > "Custom Options"). Write "-map 0:2" to "FFmpeg" textbox. Make sure ffmpeg is selected as encoder. Generally, 0th stream is video, 1st one is audio and second audio stream is the 2th stream. Note that mediainfo's stream numbers and ffmpeg's stream number may not match.

You can also use HandBrake, it also supports encoding multiple audio streams though I don't know if this feature is exposed in the official GUI.

Wait, so its not common for most encoders to convert from an mkv with several streams to something else? Strange... Or do they only do that when the source is a DVD/Bluray?

I just tried it with Handbrake and while it did seemingly detect 2 audio streams, it encoded only one of them in the output file, however your advice with TEncoder worked! But.... got ended up hardcoding the subs

So theres nothing wrong with my file based on its MediaInfo report then? According to the SUPER author, and i quote:

"This MKV has a wrongly encoded subtitle track using the Audio Track position.
Your file is a one Audio Track
Get any 2 languages DVD in your PC, click on any VOB file to play the Audio tracks."

[mike20021969]

Super and klite....I'm out of here....

Both available on your(??) website too. Shame on you

[ozok]

@Chiggy that comment made me smile. If you ever contact him again, ask him what "Audio Track position" is please. I have seen mkv files where subtitle track was the second track after the video or the audio track as the first track. And that file was converted properly in my computer. It shouldn't make much difference, ffmpeg is smart enough to know which track to encode, if you tell it properly ofc.

Also if you selected ffmpeg as encoder in TEncoder, it cannot harcode subtitles. If you've checked "Enable Subtitles" and selected ffmpeg, it will ask you if you want to switch to mencoder which can hardcode subs. But Mencoder cannot do multiple audio coding thing because you didn't pass the necessary options to it. There is something you miss here.

[Chiggy]

@Chiggy that comment made me smile. If you ever contact him again, ask him what "Audio Track position" is please. I have seen mkv files where subtitle track was the second track after the video or the audio track as the first track. And that file was converted properly in my computer. It shouldn't make much difference, ffmpeg is smart enough to know which track to encode, if you tell it properly ofc.

Also if you selected ffmpeg as encoder in TEncoder, it cannot harcode subtitles. If you've checked "Enable Subtitles" and selected ffmpeg, it will ask you if you want to switch to mencoder which can hardcode subs. But Mencoder cannot do multiple audio coding thing because you didn't pass the necessary options to it. There is something you miss here.

Their developer doesnt respond to anyone anymore if you dont praise their product I guess its a SUPER limitation because it expects streams to be in a certain order or something, ffffff. I guess ill have to use TEncoder for anything that involves multitrack conversion.

Regarding stream positions however, is there any way to choose their order? for example, if an mkv has 2 audios, is there a way to make one of the other audio tracks be the default one instead of the order they were in in the source file in TEncoder? And is there any way to change the order of the streams without encoding? If i can do it in a lossless, relatively not so complicated way itd be better.

[ozok]

I think you can use mkvtoolnix to change their orders, though I didn't try it before.

[Chiggy]

Thanks man! I looked at the related tools to the one you recommended and realized theres several tools to deal with mkv's of the like, owe you one! All this time ive been trying to use a converter to do their task, silly me...

And i just realised youre the TEncoder developer himself.. Keep up the great work man!