2 DVD9's to 1 DVD9 = Too many VOB's ? Help!

[HatchetMan]

I got 11 (1-11) VOB's but every program I try stops reading them a 9. Here is a log from my latest attempt with latest DVDRemakePro. The only way I know that does work is make them two different titlesets, like with DVDShrink in Reauthor mode. It is movie only, like 6 VOB's per disc before merge. Thing is I don't want that pause in between, that why I am seeking one titleset. Help please... Thanks!

Importing DVD...
Read DVD from: F:\ONCE_UPON_A_TIME_IN_AMERICA_D1\VIDEO_TS
Read VMG
Read VTS1

Importing DVD...
Read DVD from: F:\ONCE_UPON_A_TIME_IN_AMERICA_D2\VIDEO_TS
Read VMG
Read VTS1

Export dvd(F:\ONCE_UPON_A_TIME_IN_AMERICA)...
Too large VTS. Max 9 VOB files are allowed. (187iskVobFile.cpp)
Too large VTS. Max 9 VOB files are allowed. (187iskVobFile.cpp)
VMG: Can't write table of titles
Can't write VMG.

[FulciLives]

It is hard enough to put a single DL DVD disc onto a single SL DVD disc little alone trying to put two DL DVD discs onto a single SL DVD disc.

Don't do it.

The quality will be SO bad as to be unwatchable even if you could figure out how to do it.

Too much compression.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[wulf109]

A single VTS is limited to 9 VOB files. A movie is contained in one VTS. You have to create two VTS's.

[HatchetMan]

@FulciLives - destination is dual layer, not single, compressing 10GB down to about 8.

@wulf109 - That would be the rule, I am looking for the exception. Right now I am testing out VOBMerge to create 5 or 6 larger VOB's, hopefully IFOEdit will still work on them so I can shrink with DVD-RB, which hopefully woks too, spitting out like 8 VOB's to fit to DVD9. That's the goal anyway... we'll soon find out.

[jimmalenko]

It is hard enough to put a single DL DVD disc onto a single SL DVD disc little alone trying to put two DL DVD discs onto a single SL DVD disc.

Don't do it.

The quality will be SO bad as to be unwatchable even if you could figure out how to do it.

Too much compression.

It's 2 DLs onto 1 DL the way I read it

But yeah, only 9 VOBs allowed per VTS. One thing that puzzles me though is that to fit on a DL DVDR, you'll need the output to be around or under 7.95GB. In your current situation with 11 VOBs one could only imagine that the output is over 10GB. Now if you transcode (or re-encode) your sources first, then you should be able to get away with 7 1GB VOBs and the 8th being about 0.95GBs.

[HatchetMan]

@jimmalenko - yeah, that's one way to do it, encode first instead of later. I'll consider that next, thanks!

[FulciLives]

OK I admit I goofed and read it wrong ... me bad

I guess I just read too many compression horror threads lately like the guy that wanted to put 5 full length movies onto one Single Layer DVD disc or the guy that wanted to compress 15GB worth of TV episodes onto one Single Layer DVD disc.

Although with a movie as long as ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA I don't see the disc swap being so bad ... maybe I'm getting "old" but it's hard for me to watch a movie that long AT HOME without needing to pause it for bathroom breaks or refill my drink breaks etc.

I even refused to see Peter Jackson's KING KONG in a theatre due to the length ... that man already did me in with the LOTR Trilogy ... the last one alone nearly broke my back sitting in the same position for 3+ hours. I said never again after that LOL

Damn I guess I am getting old

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[lordsmurf]

maybe I'm getting "old" but it's hard for me to watch a movie that long AT HOME without needing to pause it for bathroom breaks or refill my drink breaks etc.

Don't forget aching bones and muscles. Need to stretch.

Some of us just get bored after a couple hours and decide to watch something long in 2-3 pieces.

[HatchetMan]

BTW, movie is Once Upon A Time In America (1984), 227 min, and my file is 10.9GB. I will be trying jimmalenko recommendation next as that will probably be the best way. Yes, it's long and you will take at least 4 breaks, but when you want to, not just because it's time to change discs

[HatchetMan]

Ok, need help finding correct formula to calculate output size so that I can set the CCETargetSectors in DVD-RB's rebuilder.ini file. Here's what I got:
DVD1 = 3022530 sectors = 73% of 1 DVD9
DVD2 = 2737612 sectors = 66% of 1 DVD9
3022530 + 2737612 = 5760142
52.5% + 47.5% = 100%
Goal = 4100000 ~ 4136896 total sectors to fit both onto 1 DVD9
But, I am approx. 40% over that goal right now so I would like to shrink each first by relative %. I tried deducting 20% off each but that wasn't enough I would rather not set each encode to approx 1/2 half of 1 DVD9 (~2068448) as that would shrink the frist by a greater percentage than the first.What should I be doing

[FulciLives]

I would think it would be easier to just use CCE manually and shrink each DVD9 disc to a DVD5 then join the two in a DVD Authoring program and just put a simple menu on it.

Seems like you are making it more difficult than it needs to be.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[HatchetMan]

John - two dvd5's will not fit onto 1 dvd9. Plus that menu would take up more room yet. I will use TDA once shrunken individually because it ain't working with them at full size.

[FulciLives]

John - two dvd5's will not fit onto 1 dvd9. Plus that menu would take up more room yet. I will use TDA once shrunken individually because it ain't working with them at full size.

Well I know two DVD5 discs are VERY SLIGHTLY bigger than a single DVD9 disc but I didn't think you would take me so literal on that wording.

What I am saying is figure out how to re-encode the two DVD9 discs with CCE etc. so that they will fit onto a single DVD9 disc and then just author with TMPGEnc DVD Author.

For instance ... the movie is 226 minutes or 3 hours and 46 minutes long. The DVD has a 5.1 AC-3 audio track so I'm guessing that is at 448kbps as that is the standard bitrate for 5.1 AC-3.

The VIDEOHELP.COM bitrate calculator



As you can see you just need to re-encode uisng the parameters above. I would re-encode each disc separately then either join with TMPGEnc DVD Author OR join first (I use MPEG-VCR) then use TMPGEnc DVD Author (or any DVD authoring software).

BTW to ensure that there is enough left over for the menu I would probably set the AVG bitrate at 4400kbps if not 4350kbps instead of 4457kbps ... so as to leave enough room left over.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[HatchetMan]

Informative & helpful, thanks!