BD Rebuilder setting

[zoobie]

Got the latest BD Rebuilder that came out a few days ago.
Was wondering if that default custom target setting (23500) is the same process as selecting the target BD-25.
I've got the default automatic settings on.
I've a slow 'puter that would take me days to test.
What's the highest PQ setting?
It may take days to process.
Thanks

[Kerry56]

Was wondering if that default custom target setting (23500) is the same process as selecting the target BD-25.

Yes, but don't be surprised if the final size is a fair amount smaller.

Highest picture quality is, funny enough, Highest (Very Slow) in the Encoder Settings. You have to turn off (deselect) the Automatic settings if you want to see all the encoding choices. If you don't select CRF or ABR, you will automatically get a two pass encode. Two pass will be a little slower.

You may not be able to discern any major differences in a two pass Highest quality setting versus a one pass CRF encode.

[jman98]

Yes, but don't be surprised if the final size is a fair amount smaller.

Under rare circumstances if you remove some audio and subtitle tracks BD Rebuilder becomes unable to shrink the final output to the desired size and will actually overshoot the mark by too much, giving you more than will fit on a single layer BD disc. In such cases the only thing I've found to work is to put the audio and subtitle tracks back before attempting the shrinking again and that will fix the problem. Just FYI to zoobie who is new to DB Rebuilder.

Zoobie - if you have a multi-core CPU in your PC it shouldn't "take days to process". Basically anything sold within the last few years should be fine and not "take days to process". If your "slow computer" really means an old computer, like 8+ years old, yeah, in that case it probably will take days.

[zoobie]

Looks like the automatic settings defaulted to Good (Very Fast), ABR
What do you guys select?
Thanks

[Kerry56]

I normally use the CRF, one pass encode. This will be less accurate in output size, but is a little bit quicker. I personally have never seen it go over the limit for a 25gb disc, but I know that it has happened on rare occasions. I've done at least a seventy movies with this setting.

If the movie if very large and requires a lot of compression to hit the 23.5gb output size, or if there is some other factor I think may affect encoding (graininess, lots of action), I'll use a two pass encode with the High (not Highest) quality setting. A two pass encode will tend to be more accurate on output size. This was my standard setting for quite a while when first using BD Rebuilder, but I haven't had issues with the CRF encodes, and have switched to it for most movies. Jdobbs did have one glitch with CRF and LAV, but fixed that very quickly.

[zoobie]

Interesting...
The main problem was like my audio question. There's really no way to determine what's happening without sensory and software analysis. In this case, the test should have two large tv's next to each other which isn't going to happen here. Therefore, I really have no choice but to only use the highest setting the software has to offer.
Thanks

[wulf109]

If your burning on BD25 disks,you should try Highspeed BD25 mode.

[Kerry56]

Suit yourself zoobie. The settings I use are a good compromise on quality vs time spent encoding, and I've always been pleased with the results from this program.

Even higher settings are possible than 2 pass Highest, but they are NOT worth the time spent. You can find them in the last page of my guide over at MyCE, but I advise against using them.

[zoobie]

Thanks big time for your guide. I can see now that I was wrong in my assumption(s). I'd be foolish not to take your settings advice since you've been at this a long time. Thanks again.

[zoobie]

Leaving the setup at default, I just tried rebuilding a BD disk as full disk and CRF.
I chose target size 25 with Better (Faster) encoder settings.
After chewing on it for 18 hours, it had no sound when finished.
Only thing I can see is that I updated WMP to 11 then disabled the appropriate setting in ffdshow and the inspector said OK.
I also just ran a High-speed option with CRF...same thing...no sound.
What happened?

[Kerry56]

What do you have set in Settings-->Setup for audio choices? Do you have the log file from this encode? Show us the config/INI file as you now have it set.

Check the large m2ts file in the BDMV-->Stream folder of your Blu-ray that you created. Examine it with MediaInfo to see if there is an audio stream included.

[zoobie]

Headphones/sound working fine as I click on any audio/video file in my box. Listening now to music.
Not sure what happened...

[Options]
VERSION=0.50.0.5
ENCODER=0
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=5
ONEPASS_ENCODING=1
AUTO_QUALITY=0
TARGET_SIZE=23500
AUTO_BURN=0
PRIORITY_CLASS=1
-------------------
[03/21/15] Checking System Settings
  - BD-Rebuilder v0.50.05
  - Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
  - Working Path Free Space: 153.68GB
  - AVISYNTH Version: 2.5.8.0, Ok
  - HAALI Splitter: 1.9.42.1, Ok
  - FFDSHOW: 3326, Ok
  - FFDSHOW VC-1 set "disabled", WMP11, Ok
  - FFDSHOW MPEG2 set to "libmpeg2":  Ok
  - FFDSHOW AVC set to "libavcodec":  Ok
  - X264:  Ok
  - AFTEN:  Ok
  - FAAC:  Ok
  - MP4BOX:  Ok
  - WAVI:  Ok
  - TSMUXER:  Ok
  - FRIMEncode:  Ok
  - FRIMDecode:  Ok
[03/21/15] Systems Settings Check complete
----------------------
[03/21/15] BD Rebuilder v0.50.05
[23:23:27] Source:  STEVIE_WONDER
  - Input BD size: 33.12 GB
  - Approximate total content: [02:16:35.654]
  - Target BD size: 22.95 GB
  - Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
  - Quality: High-Speed Option (BD-25+), CRF
  - Decoding/Frame serving: DirectShow
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[23:23:27] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [23:23:27] Processing: VID_00002 (1 of 1)
 - [23:23:27] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00002]
 - [00:01:50] Reencoding video [VID_00002]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 29.970fps, 241,482 frames
 - [00:01:50] Performing CRF Prediction...
   - Analyzing 11.00 30.50 19.23 22.79 21.14 20.90 [20.86]
 - [00:30:50] Encoding using constant rate factor.
 - [06:32:07] Video Encode complete
 - [06:32:07] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Reencoding audio to AC3...
 - [06:38:21] Multiplexing M2TS
[07:13:40]PHASE ONE complete
[07:13:40]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
 - [07:13:40] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[07:14:51] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[07:14:51] JOB: STEVIE_WONDER finished.
-----------------------
MEDIAINFO
Format                                   : BDAV
Format/Info                              : Blu-ray Video
File size                                : 20.6 GiB
Duration                                 : 2h 14mn
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 22.0 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate                 : 35.5 Mbps

Video
ID                                       : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : Main@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames                : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=4, N=24
Codec ID                                 : 27
Duration                                 : 2h 14mn
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 20.9 Mbps
Maximum bit rate                         : 35.0 Mbps
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 29.970 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.336
Stream size                              : 19.6 GiB (95%)

Audio
ID                                       : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension                           : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : 129
Duration                                 : 2h 14mn
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 224 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Channel positions                        : Front: C
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 215 MiB (1%)

[Kerry56]

MediaInfo shows that you have AC3 audio at 224kbps in that Blu-ray that you made. You've got BD Rebuilder set to pass through AC3 audio on Blu-ray output, so apparently this was the original format and bitrate? There is nothing in BD Rebuilder saying to put it at that bitrate.

What I don't understand is why you have 29.97fps framerate progressive video. This isn't exactly kosher to Blu-ray specs. A misread by MediaInfo maybe.

What are you using to play the output? I'd try Media Player Classic Home Cinema or Potplayer with the main m2ts file and see if you're getting any sound with them.

[gonca]

zoobie
Could you post the mediainfo text from the original file?
Kerry56
BD_RB did re-encode the audio, but it should have passed DTS or AC3 thru. Possibly single channel LPCM.

[zoobie]

zoobie
Could you post the mediainfo text from the original file?
Kerry56
BD_RB did re-encode the audio, but it should have passed DTS or AC3 thru. Possibly single channel LPCM.

There's no need anymore.
It was updating to WMP11 that really screwed up my box.
Spent Sunday getting rid of it. It's like a bad rash all over the internet and meant for Vista but available for XP with a patch.
Ran a test and getting audio again.
I think it's back to wmv9

[jman98]

What I don't understand is why you have 29.97fps framerate progressive video. This isn't exactly kosher to Blu-ray specs. A misread by MediaInfo maybe.

My conclusion from this and other discs I saw some time ago is that the specs may be more flexible in reality than we have been led to believe. But I suppose it could be a mistake by MediaInfo.

[zoobie]

...and that I'm running an older version of Mediainfo.
I'm obviously not too thrilled with updating anything after this.

[zoobie]

Actually, there still may be a reason to include the original BD Mediainfo file:

General
ID                                       : 0 (0x0)
Complete name                            : D:\Netflix\FullDisc\STEVIE_WONDER\BDMV\STREAM\00002.m2ts
Format                                   : BDAV
Format/Info                              : Blu-ray Video
File size                                : 32.8 GiB
Duration                                 : 2h 14mn
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 34.9 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate                 : 48.0 Mbps

Video
ID                                       : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames                : 4 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=24
Codec ID                                 : 27
Duration                                 : 2h 14mn
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 29.0 Mbps
Maximum bit rate                         : 32.5 Mbps
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 29.970 fps
Standard                                 : NTSC
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : MBAFF
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.467
Stream size                              : 27.2 GiB (83%)
Color primaries                          : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Audio #1
ID                                       : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Format settings, Sign                    : Signed
Muxing mode                              : Blu-ray
Codec ID                                 : 128
Duration                                 : 2h 14mn
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 2 304 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Stream size                              : 2.16 GiB (7%)

Audio #2
ID                                       : 4353 (0x1101)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : DTS
Format/Info                              : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile                           : MA / Core
Muxing mode                              : Stream extension
Codec ID                                 : 134
Duration                                 : 2h 14mn
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 1 561 Kbps / 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossless / Lossy

Audio #3
ID                                       : 4354 (0x1102)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension                           : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness              : Big
Codec ID                                 : 129
Duration                                 : 2h 14mn
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 640 Kbps
Channel(s)                               : 6 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 615 MiB (2%)

As we can now see, 224 is what it's reencoding the 6 channel down to a L-R format even though "do not reencode AC3", the default setting, is selected.
Just deciding what's best for me since this is a concert and I may get surround sound in the future.

[Kerry56]

You can manually select audio streams once you import the Blu-ray into BD Rebuilder. If BD Rebuilder chose the LPCM stream and gave you single channel AC3 on the first run, I'd select the DTS HD MA audio stream this time, and put a check mark in the box in Settings to keep HD audio intact for 25gb Blu-ray output.

[Kerry56]

Its possible to get the DTS HD MA audio stream out of the original movie and put it together with your current output from BD Rebuilder, but it would take a few different tools.

Here is how I would do this. Use ClownBD to extract the DTS HD MA audio from the original, decrypted movie. Only select the audio stream you want as the output. Choose to export it as an .m2ts file or a .ts file. ClownBD will give you the output in one of these formats, but if you put demux and remux locations in the same place, you will also have the complete audio in a .dts file which is what you want. You could also just rename the .ts or .m2ts to .dts.

So, now you have the audio you want, and it doesn't take long to do this.

Then use MakeMKV to change the format of your current output from BD Rebuilder into an MKV file.

Next you need MKVToolnix and its built-in tool MKVMerge to add the DTS audio file to this new MKV file. You can also remove the AC3 file made by BD Rebuilder. Test the MKV that MKVMerge creates, to make sure the audio is working. Then fire up ClownBD again and import this MKV file that has the DTS audio in it and output to Blu-ray format.

Yes, its involved, and takes some time, but its a LOT less time than re-encoding for 18hrs. Unfortunately, the DTS HD MA audio is so much larger than the AC3 that it probably won't fit onto a single layer Blu-ray disc. If that is your ultimate target, I don't think you'll have any choice but to re-encode as I suggested in the post above.