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  1. A dvd TS folder needs a demux all. Please advise which program does this. I have a fractured note on it
    which is incomplete. My normal tool for this has been MKV Toolnix in the merge option.

    Using Handbrake to process the TS folder to an MKV container did not yield an alternate audio stream containing comments.

    The goal is to have both content audio and comments available selectively as would be normal
    for a second language. If that is impossible I would remux with the commentary track only.
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    Does MediaInfo show the alternate streams in the TS folder file?
    You might also try tsMuxeR or similar.
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  3. Enclosed is a screen shot.

    I have seen the forei9gn language text streams in my sample Handbrake encode.
    There is a commentary track to commentary +version_ on the disk which I've l
    played on other occasions.

    I will check the run time and see if ti is some how all in the TS but it's doubtful.
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    If you use the menu item in MediaInfo View --> Text you can simply copy and paste all the details rather than having to do a screen shot. Also if you use MakeMKV instead of Handbrake it will capture everything and you can select or deselect what is needed.
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  5. I used MakeMKV a few times and found that I had an overheating problem on the processor. Plus it makes gigantic files. This is a peculiar problem. How can an alternate audio track be hidden under a rock someplace?

    To my original question. How can everything be extracted? Is MakeMKV the only option?

    As to tsMuxer, is that then a demuxer? I'd have to go to videohelp software list to
    check that.
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    MakeMKV doesn't recode or alter file size - a typical DVD is 4GB so 4GB in 4GB out but if you choose just the Main movie it will be less depending on how many extra's on the disc. Never heard of MakeMKV overheating ! I've transferred my entire DVD and Blu ray discs to my NAS, no problems. Just the main movie and stripped out all but the English subtitles and Main audio track, generally DTS or AC3. Why don't you try it and inspect the result before you hit the makemkv button . ir let it process the disc it then brings up a window for you to select which tracks you want. If you have already ripped the disc to the hdd using other programs and have a classic TS folder with bup, ifo and vob files it should be quicker processing. So you can see everything that is on the disc - simply untick what you don't want,
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  7. Ok, I'll get the MakeMKV download again and use a different cpu setup.

    Will report back my findings.
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  8. Today I used MakeMKV latest beta and everything went smoothly and didn't take hours and hours and the cpu usage looked moderate.

    I test viewed the raw result (5 Gb.) That shows three alternate language streams plus three vob sub. Still no commentary track.

    I wondered if reverting to using F8 in Auto Gordian Know would revel the stream in
    AVI.

    Next I'm going to go back and load the disk into my stand alone Sony player and run the
    menus to see if the Commentary plays that way.

    The length of the single video stream is the length of the content: 2 hrs 3 mins. There is not some continuous grouping of two complete shows in one file.

    I have inspected the Text view of MediaInfo and can put that up here.

    That's as far as I am.
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  9. I loaded the disk in the normal way into my stand alone player.
    The menu has the commentary and it loads as it should.

    There are no audio ts files just large 6Gb original TS folder.

    BUT, when I examined the TS folder in Explorer there were multiple TS folders all the same size. Down at TS_5 I found the complete content including original sound track, Commentary track (still unmarked) and plus all the subtitles etc.

    It appears I may be able to Encode this element in Handbrake as intended.

    This disc was originally made in 2001. There are multiple full copies within the TS folder but
    MakeMKV etc only pulled out the top one is my conclusion.

    Not done yet, but progress.
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  10. Another drawback. Inspecting the element is just a partial 22 mins.

    This seems unending. In the TS folder must be segmented and separate from the
    MakeMKV I had done. I am again stumped as to analyze and patch together one copy of the content with all of its audio and subtitle tracks including the English commentary track.

    --> Advise if a screen shot of the content I found in Explorer would help to get this solved.

    I'm at the point where I don't understand the _organization_ of the disk itself at all.


    The whole purpose of doing this is that the commentary, unlike most, has much to offer.
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    Many DVDs will show multiple title items of the same movie, in similar sizes,
    But if totaled all up, would be many times the size of the DVD
    Only one is real ( the one you found that play's )
    The rest are fake, the files do not exist on the DVD, they are phantom, the file index system of the DVD has been manipulated
    It's part of the copy protection
    The index pointers of those files may point to portions of the real file
    So each fake copied is a bogus file that takes task space on your hd , but can be eliminated, from the copied folder
    just copy the one playable folder and use that for your conversion

    in some case, trying to do a whole disc copy is almost impossible, as the copy program will loop forever trying to analyze the disc
    and the best case scenario is a main movie copy
    OR
    wait for a new release/update of the decryption program
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  12. Ok I'm not going to continue if it's such an issue.
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    Please post a MediaInfo report using VIEW --> Text so we can see the whole picture. Here is an example - I have chosen VOB number 4 in the collection contained in the VIDEO_TS folder.

    MediaInfo Report

    General
    Complete name : U:\Archive_movies\Manhattan\VTS_01_4.VOB
    Format : MPEG-PS
    File size : 1 024 MiB
    Duration : 23 min 18 s
    Overall bit rate mode : Variable
    Overall bit rate : 6 140 kb/s

    Video
    ID : 224 (0xE0)
    Format : MPEG Video
    Format version : Version 2
    Format profile : Main@Main
    Format settings, BVOP : Yes
    Format settings, Matrix : Custom
    Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=12
    Format settings, picture structure : Frame
    Duration : 23 min 18 s
    Bit rate mode : Variable
    Bit rate : 4 802 kb/s
    Maximum bit rate : 7 500 kb/s
    Width : 720 pixels
    Height : 576 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
    Standard : PAL
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Interlaced
    Scan order : Top Field First
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.463
    Time code of first frame : 02:17:06:18
    Time code source : Group of pictures header
    GOP, Open/Closed : Closed
    Stream size : 801 MiB (78%)

    Audio #1
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80)
    Format : AC-3
    Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
    Mode extension : CM (complete main)
    Format settings, Endianness : Big
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Duration : 23 min 18 s
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 192 kb/s
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L R
    Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
    Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 spf)
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Delay relative to video : -496 ms
    Stream size : 32.0 MiB (3%)

    Audio #2
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-129 (0x81)
    Format : AC-3
    Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
    Mode extension : CM (complete main)
    Format settings, Endianness : Big
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Duration : 23 min 18 s
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 256 kb/s
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L R
    Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
    Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 spf)
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Delay relative to video : -496 ms
    Stream size : 42.7 MiB (4%)

    Audio #3
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-130 (0x82)
    Format : AC-3
    Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
    Mode extension : CM (complete main)
    Format settings, Endianness : Big
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Duration : 23 min 18 s
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 256 kb/s
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L R
    Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
    Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 spf)
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Delay relative to video : -496 ms
    Stream size : 42.7 MiB (4%)

    Audio #4
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-131 (0x83)
    Format : AC-3
    Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
    Mode extension : CM (complete main)
    Format settings, Endianness : Big
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Duration : 23 min 18 s
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 256 kb/s
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L R
    Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
    Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 spf)
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Delay relative to video : -496 ms
    Stream size : 42.7 MiB (4%)

    Audio #5
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-132 (0x84)
    Format : AC-3
    Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
    Mode extension : CM (complete main)
    Format settings, Endianness : Big
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Duration : 23 min 18 s
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 256 kb/s
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L R
    Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
    Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 spf)
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Delay relative to video : -496 ms
    Stream size : 42.7 MiB (4%)

    Text #1
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-32 (0x20)
    Format : RLE
    Format/Info : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Delay relative to video : 880 ms

    Text #2
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-33 (0x21)
    Format : RLE
    Format/Info : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Delay relative to video : 880 ms

    Text #3
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-34 (0x22)
    Format : RLE
    Format/Info : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Delay relative to video : 880 ms

    Text #4
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-35 (0x23)
    Format : RLE
    Format/Info : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Delay relative to video : 880 ms

    Text #5
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-36 (0x24)
    Format : RLE
    Format/Info : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Delay relative to video : 880 ms

    Text #6
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-37 (0x25)
    Format : RLE
    Format/Info : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Delay relative to video : 880 ms

    Text #7
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-38 (0x26)
    Format : RLE
    Format/Info : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Delay relative to video : 880 ms

    Text #8
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-39 (0x27)
    Format : RLE
    Format/Info : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Delay relative to video : 1 s 720 ms

    Text #9
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-40 (0x28)
    Format : RLE
    Format/Info : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Delay relative to video : 880 ms

    Text #10
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-41 (0x29)
    Format : RLE
    Format/Info : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Delay relative to video : 880 ms

    Text #11
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-42 (0x2A)
    Format : RLE
    Format/Info : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Delay relative to video : 880 ms

    Text #12
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-43 (0x2B)
    Format : RLE
    Format/Info : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Delay relative to video : 880 ms

    Text #13
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-44 (0x2C)
    Format : RLE
    Format/Info : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Delay relative to video : 880 ms

    Text #14
    ID : 189 (0xBD)-45 (0x2D)
    Format : RLE
    Format/Info : Run-length encoding
    Muxing mode : DVD-Video
    Delay relative to video : 880 ms

    Menu
    As you can see about 14 sub tracks and 5 audio tracks.
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  14. Ok.

    I'll paste in the Media Info of the original TS file from the Disk, not worrying about
    all those 'stubs' are whatever they are.

    Won't be immediate-- sometime soon.
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    How many files are there in the original VIDEO_TS folder - are all the bup, ifo and vob files there? You often speak of a TS file which of course is not the same as a standard DVD format. Very confusing.

    A normal stock standard DVD movie that one would buy would look like this if you opened in a file explorer - just want to be sure we are on the same page....
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  16. Originally Posted by loninappleton View Post
    BUT, when I examined the TS folder in Explorer there were multiple TS folders all the same size. Down at TS_5 I found the complete content including original sound track, Commentary track (still unmarked) and plus all the subtitles etc.
    Do DVDs ever have more than one VIDEO_TS folder? I'm not sure I've ever met one that does so maybe it's a copy protection problem.
    Mind you if the disc was manufactured back in 2001 I would have thought it very unlikely to have that type of copy protection, but I can't imagine why else Explorer would be displaying multiple VIDEO_TS folders, assuming that's the issue.
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  17. I will attach two images of the opened folder in Explorer and the text view of MediaInfo.
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  18. here are two attachments for the folder and the MediaInfo test
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    the screen shot of the dvd files looks normal to me and enough file size to be a dual layer disc

    so if you want to burn it to a single layer disc it will have to be shrunk
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    Interesting in the screen shot there are no IFO files. The BUP are there?
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  21. I will look at it again. I cropped off the title element of the screen shot.
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  22. Everything is here.

    You can see three BUP files indicated at line One , three and the one below that.
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    There should be matching IFO files as well - if there are 3 IFO files then there will be 3 BUP files.

    Directory and file structure

    A DVD volume for the DVD-Video format has the following structure of directories and files:[18][19]
    Layout of files for DVD-Video
    Layout of files for DVD-Video

    AUDIO_TS directory: empty or not present on DVD-Video discs; contains files only on DVD Audio discs; a. k. a. Audio Title Sets directory; included on DVD-Video discs for compatibility reasons
    VIDEO_TS directory: stores all data for the DVD-Video; a. k. a. Video Title Sets directory. This directory is required to be present on a DVD-compliant disc.
    Video Manager (VMG) files:
    VIDEO_TS.IFO file: the Video Manager (VMG) information file – stores control and playback information for the entire DVD – e. g. the First Play PGC (Program Chain),[20] locations of all Video Title Sets (VTS), table of titles, number of volumes, domains for multiple languages and regional and parental control settings, information about subtitles, audio tracks, etc. This file is required to be present on a DVD-compliant disc.[21]
    VIDEO_TS.BUP file: the backup copy of the VIDEO_TS.IFO file. It is part of Video Manager (VMG).
    VIDEO_TS.VOB file: the first-play Video Object of the DVD-Video disc, usually a copyright notice or a menu. It is part of Video Manager (VMG). This file is not required to be present on a DVD-compliant disc.
    Video Title Set (VTS) files:
    VTS_01_0.IFO file: stores control and playback information for the Video Title Set 01 – e. g. information about chapters, subtitles and audio tracks. A "VTS_zz_0.IFO" file (where "zz" is from 01 to 99) is required to be present on each VTS.[22]
    VTS_01_0.BUP file: a backup copy of the VTS_01_0.IFO file. This file is required to be present on a DVD-compliant disc. It is part of Video Title Set (VTS).
    VTS_01_0.VOB file: Video Title Set 01, Video Object 0, contains the menu for this title. This file is not required to be present on a DVD-compliant disc.
    VTS_01_1.VOB file: Video Title Set 01, Video Object 1, contains the video for this title. At least one file "VTS_zz_1.VOB" is required in the VTS and each "VTS_zz_x". DVD-Video can contain up to 99 (1–99) titles with max 10 (0–9) VOB files each. The last possible VOB file is VTS_99_9.VOB.
    … etc.

    IFO files store control and playback information – e. g. information about chapters, subtitles and audio tracks. They do not store any video or audio data or subtitles.

    BUP files are only backups of the IFO files.
    Domains

    Data structures recorded on a DVD-compliant disc are components of one of the four data groups called domains:[23][24][25][26]

    First-play (FP) – First Play PGC located in the VIDEO_TS.IFO file
    Video Manager (VMG) – contains VIDEO_TS.IFO, VIDEO_TS.BUP and VIDEO_TS.VOB
    Video Title Set (VTS) – contains "VTS_zz_x.IFO", "VTS_zz_x.BUP" and "VTS_zz_x.VOB" files (where "x" is from 1 to 9)
    Video Title Set Menu (VTSM) – uses "VTS_zz_0.VOB" files
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  24. I think the IFO files are there, but Explorer isn't displaying the file extensions. And it appears VLC got all possessive when it was installed and decided VOB files should be labelled "VLC Media File (.vob)" to make it harder to identify them. Below each BUP file in the screenshot there's another file of identical size which would make them the IFO files. The second file shown by Explorer would be VIDEO_TS.IFO.

    There's no sign of the multiple TS folders mentioned earlier though. There's multiple VTS files roughly the same size. Below the second BUP file is another IFO file, so if Explorer wasn't set to hide the file extensions you'd have a folder called "VIDEO_TS" containing:

    VIDEO_TS.BUP
    VIDEO_TS.IFO
    VTS_01_0.BUP
    VTS_01_0.IFO
    VTS_01_0.VOB (it would be a menu)
    VTS_01_1.VOB
    VTS_01_2.VOB
    VTS_01_3.VOB
    VTS_01_4.VOB
    VTS_01_5.VOB
    VTS_01_6.VOB

    If I'm interpreting the MediaInfo information currently, VOBs 1,2,4 & 5 are around 23 min in duration. 3 & 6 are around 15 minutes, which makes up the entire runtime.

    There's four audio streams. English, French, English Director's Commentary and English. It appears the first English stream is mono, as are the French and Directors Commentary Streams, while the fourth audio stream is stereo, or more likely "dual mono".

    VTS_02_0.BUP and onwards are no doubt some sort of DVD "extras".

    Unless there's something odd happening it all seems to be pretty standard. I'm not sure why MakeMKV couldn't rip the video with all four audio streams correctly, or Handbrake for that matter, but I don't use either myself.

    loninappleton,
    If there's no copy protection you could probably open VTS_01_1.VOB with MeGUI's file indexer and get it to index the video and extract the audio with DGIndex. It'll automatically include vob files 2 thru 6. With any luck it'll extract four audio streams and the third stream should be the directors commentary. If there is copy protection, you'll need to rip it first.
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  25. I found the IFO files but am having all sort of problems in using Paint program.
    I found them by reviewing the Folder Options and there was a check box which when unchecked revealed the IFO. There are three IFOs for this disk. Without a good crop you'll just have to talk me through whatever it is involving IFO. I'll continue to try to do the crop.

    from google
    Displaying the File Extension in Windows Vista and Windows 7

    Click the Start menu. ...
    Type "folder options" (without the quotes). ...
    A dialog box with the title "Folder Options" will appear. ...
    Click to uncheck the box for "Hide extensions for known file types".
    Click the "OK" button at the bottom of the dialog box.

    There is more than one hide/reveal option on there. I normally have one checked but
    the known file types had to be changed.
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  26. I have a crop now in attachment. This should show the TS files only with no header.

    As an aside, I was able to view a different file of this content from another source. That one did not have the alternate commentary track on it either. This is why I continue with the project.
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  27. Originally Posted by loninappleton View Post
    I have a crop now in attachment. This should show the TS files only with no header.
    There's not a TS file to be found. There's a couple of files called VIDEO_TS. One's a BUP file and the other's an IFO file. Are they what you're referring to?
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    If the OP is having problems doing a screen capture I wonder if Snipping Tool built into Windows might be a simple solution?

    To capture a snip
    Open Snipping Tool by clicking the Start button , clicking All Programs, clicking Accessories, and then clicking Snipping Tool.
    Click the arrow next to the New button, select a snip type from the menu, and then use your mouse or tablet pen to capture a snip.
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  29. Originally Posted by hello_hello View Post
    Originally Posted by loninappleton View Post
    I have a crop now in attachment. This should show the TS files only with no header.
    There's not a TS file to be found. There's a couple of files called VIDEO_TS. One's a BUP file and the other's an IFO file. Are they what you're referring to?
    Hello HH

    A lot of this is confusing for all the alphabet soup. As you know I have to do things by rote.

    On the disk there are two elements: a TS _folder_ which I opened to get the screen image shown and a 'cover art' something or other which has some numeric files in it which are very small. I misspoke on TS vs vts on the disk.

    The files shown of about 1 Gb each with VLC icons apparently refer to twenty or 40 minute segments and those contain the commentary stream. If MKV merge or some such could join them that may be an answer. But I'm here to get the best advice on procedure to make a small encode just for the purpose of saving the comment audio.
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    You are totally confused even though the info has been given to you
    Every DVD is produced the same way, a video ts folder with all the needed files in it, and a empty Audi folder with nothing in it
    No other ts folders..
    And occasionally a data folder with pictures etc..
    Every DVD has multiple vob files together they make up the movie
    There is not one file with whole movie
    The audio tracks, all of them are in the vob files
    Each vob has all four audio tracks including the commentary
    It is the menu options controlled by the Ifo files that tell the DVD player which sound track to play when you press the buttons and make your menu choices

    What are you wanting to do
    Backup the whole DVD ?
    Do you want a one file movie that always play's the commentary without using menu ?
    A DVD that always play's the commentary ?
    Each choice is a different procedure
    There is nothing wrong with your source DVD
    We can't tell you how to proceed, unless we know what exactly you want to do

    "MakeMkv" will copy the main movie into one file on your hd ...NO DVD menu items
    The sound tracks will be in the movie
    And can be selected using VLC player audio stream options
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