4K TV 40 inch - $600

[newpball]

http://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-40-120hz-2160p-4k-ultra-hd-smart-led-hdtv

Not a bad deal for $600.

Could be used as a poor man's 4K monitor, but there is a catch: While there is no DisplayPort there is HDMI 2.0 so you could do 4K/60P. However the built-in HDCP 2.2. might limit the color depth to 4:2:2.

[hello_hello]

According to the questions/answers the HDMI ports are version 1.4.

The HDMI ports are version 1.4 on this TV but you can purchase an UHD Evolution Kit separately which can be updated to be compatible with future UHD standards without buying a new TV.

I'd never heard of the UHD Evolution Kit so I Googled. Apparently there's been a previous flavour or two of the Evolution Kit, but it seems the idea is it replaces most of the existing TVs connectivity, upgrades the media player, replaces the existing TVs software etc and connects to the TV using an optical connection. In theory you get something like the equivalent of new TV innards for your existing screen. That sounds like an great idea if you paid thousands for a TV and have no intention of replacing it in a hurry, but when it's a low end TV and the evolution kits aren't exactly cheap it's probably a different story. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-uhd-evolution-kit-silver/5999206.p?id=121918037325...&skuId=5999206

[pandy]

4k works only with Display Port - regular HDMI even 2.0 will sacrifice 4k to point where 4k have no sense.

[Cornucopia]

No sense? Maybe to you. For those who like 24/25/30P, it would still be viable.

Scott

[ron spencer]

is 4k worth it on 40 inches?

[El Heggunte]

is 4k worth it on 40 inches?

For a monitor, *perhaps*. For a TV-set, *no* — it should be 100 inches, minimum.

[newpball]

is 4k worth it on 40 inches?

Of course, provided you sit close and enjoy the immersion.

A 40 inch 4K monitor has a pixel density of about 110, that is pretty reasonable.

I would not go smaller for 4K though.

The best smaller alternative to a 40 inch monitor is still this guy:

[newpball]

4k works only with Display Port - regular HDMI even 2.0 will sacrifice 4k to point where 4k have no sense.

Well HDMI 2.0 allows for 4K/60P however it is true that color is still crippled.

[Cornucopia]

Crippled only in the sense of not utilizing RGB/4:4:4, or HDR/widegamut at higher bit depth. IOW, crippled like the other 95% of all of us. Aw!

Scott

[newpball]

But HDMI 2.0 has a good thing as well, it supports 21:9 video!

Now this is more to it!



I know some people would never ever buy a 21:9!

[Cornucopia]

Looks like you've gotten off-topic on your own thread! That might be a 1st.

Scott

[newpball]

is 4k worth it on 40 inches?

For a monitor, *perhaps*. For a TV-set, *no* — it should be 100 inches, minimum.

100 inches is definitely nice but you can go smaller unless you want to watch movies the old way:



4K = sitting closer = immersion!

A private home 'theater' right in front of your seat!

[El Heggunte]

is 4k worth it on 40 inches?

For a monitor, *perhaps*. For a TV-set, *no* — it should be 100 inches, minimum.

100 inches is definitely nice but you can go smaller unless you want to watch movies the old way:



4K = sitting closer = immersion!

A private home 'theater' right in front of your seat!

As always, your analogies are clearly flawed, i.e., exaggerated and inadequate.

[pandy]

No sense? Maybe to you. For those who like 24/25/30P, it would still be viable.

Scott

yeah, sure, no deep color and only 4:2:0 - good luck...

Well HDMI 2.0 allows for 4K/60P however it is true that color is still crippled.

Most important thing in 4k (UHD) is widely accepted deep color - 10 bit in customer h.265 - this is insane - first time codec offer in standard 10 bit and HDMI 2.0 will not support this...
For today any serious 4k require Display Port...

[newpball]

No sense? Maybe to you. For those who like 24/25/30P, it would still be viable.

Scott

yeah, sure, no deep color and only 4:2:0 - good luck...

That's nothing pandy!

< rant >

Some people op this forum even think HD is hardly worthwhile. They wonder why people are not happy with SD video on some 20 inch CRT display as they are. And if they happen to find a HD source they quickly degrade it to DVD but of course only after spending weeks to find the best possible encoding flags and settings. After they decimated 90% of a HD video they suddenly worry about Rec.601 vs Rec.709 because "quality". Go figure! It's like taking a Polaroid of the Mona Lisa and then worry if the lousy Polaroid is viewed under proper lighting conditions.

Unfortunately it seems there are very few videophiles on this forum.

Don't know but perhaps they are all chased away by getting constant mud thrown at them because they like quality video.

</ rant >

[bendixG15]

Some of us are more interested in content than a pretty picture.

[Cornucopia]

Some of us are interested in both! And some of us have the sense to not worry or blame, understand when PQ is not the TOP priority, and try to still be helpful WITHIN those constraints. All while being grounded in solid science & engineering.
Here's mud in your eye!

Scott

[pandy]

That's nothing pandy!

< rant >

Some people op this forum even think HD is hardly worthwhile. They wonder why people are not happy with SD video on some 20 inch CRT display as they are. And if they happen to find a HD source they quickly degrade it to DVD but of course only after spending weeks to find the best possible encoding flags and settings. After they decimated 90% of a HD video they suddenly worry about Rec.601 vs Rec.709 because "quality". Go figure! It's like taking a Polaroid of the Mona Lisa and then worry if the lousy Polaroid is viewed under proper lighting conditions.

Unfortunately it seems there are very few videophiles on this forum.

Don't know but perhaps they are all chased away by getting constant mud thrown at them because they like quality video.

</ rant >

Well - i saw few times 8k from NHK (same guys who invented real HD - ancient analog MUSE system born in Japan) and i believe personally that 8k is OUR future UHD system. 4k is a marketing mambo jumbo - marketing need to sale new tv's after 3d (in fact stereoscopy) fail so you have SMART TV which are focusing on spying on you (samsung case and many other companies) but channel zap takes ages (not like on analog TV) and 4k TV but technology is not even close to 4k - home sources don't exist (unless you put 700 - 900W graphics card in your PC), there is no even consumer interface capable to use 4k fully (HDMI 2.0 60 fps yes but only 8 bit not 10 where h.265 will use first time 10 bits which is for me most important thing in new consumer standard).

[fritzi93]

Some of us are interested in both! And some of us have the sense to not worry or blame, understand when PQ is not the TOP priority, and try to still be helpful WITHIN those constraints. All while being grounded in solid science & engineering.
Here's mud in your eye!

Scott

There are plenty of videophiles here, surely. Perhaps not so many of the hardware obsessing types you find at AVS.

[ron spencer]

is 4k worth it on 40 inches?

For a monitor, *perhaps*. For a TV-set, *no* — it should be 100 inches, minimum.

If true then 4K and 8K are crazy...what's the point? Just more marketing to sell TVs and send the old, just as good ones, the the landfill.

When is 16k?

[newpball]

is 4k worth it on 40 inches?

For a monitor, *perhaps*. For a TV-set, *no* — it should be 100 inches, minimum.

If true then 4K and 8K are crazy...what's the point? Just more marketing to sell TVs and send the old, just as good ones, the the landfill.

Most people have no conception that the future of video will be a private curved screen in front of a comfy chair, they still think movies have to be viewed by everyone in a large room instead of in private:

[El Heggunte]

.......
Most people have no conception that the future of video will be a private curved screen in front of a comfy chair, they still think movies have to be viewed by everyone in a large room instead of in private

Sorry, kiddo, but not everybody has a crystal-ball as excellent as yours

Mine for example, says that the future will have NO "movies" at all —
probably because people will have discovered better things to do with their free time ,
and certainly because ``everything that has a beginning has an end´´

[pandy]

Future TV will be more than 100 inch probably occupying whole wall or perhaps each wall acting as TV, all we need is foldable (like wall paper) OLED screen (printed in large, cheap scale - perhaps even disposable).

[Gravitator]

In OLED has a competitor in the form of quantum display.

[pandy]

In OLED has a competitor in the form of quantum display.

Yes and they share lot of common so i assume they can be consider as comparable technologies - definitely one of them i want have.

[hello_hello]

< rant >

Some people op this forum even think HD is hardly worthwhile. They wonder why people are not happy with SD video on some 20 inch CRT display as they are. And if they happen to find a HD source they quickly degrade it to DVD but of course only after spending weeks to find the best possible encoding flags and settings. After they decimated 90% of a HD video they suddenly worry about Rec.601 vs Rec.709 because "quality". Go figure! It's like taking a Polaroid of the Mona Lisa and then worry if the lousy Polaroid is viewed under proper lighting conditions.

Unfortunately it seems there are very few videophiles on this forum.

Don't know but perhaps they are all chased away by getting constant mud thrown at them because they like quality video.

</ rant >

A load of rubbish from start to finish.
The last part's even funny. Nobody throws mud at anyone for liking quality video. I'd like to see an example of that.

Most people have no conception that the future of video will be a private curved screen in front of a comfy chair, they still think movies have to be viewed by everyone in a large room instead of in private

Sounds like someone's been alone for so long he's forgotten humans are social creatures and like to share experiences.

[hanshotfirst1138]

And here I was all excited about getting a Samsung plasma .

[newpball]

Another new kid on the block, this time with DisplayPort and 4:4:4!

A monster for about $800!



http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SCX78JS